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• pdb1 25,001 Posts

  Tue, Aug 18 2015 12:43 AM

    Ok . You asked for it . The entire post is a good reference for the entire food for thought .

    Originally who knows why I omitted its entirety . I forget . Very common occurrence .

  EasyEdward:

  alosso and WGTdbloshoe:

  I just did a review of The Peoples Club membership. Out of 250 members; there are only 31 members I can positively say have bought a pass or have used more than 1 a day on average. It is as well totally possible that up to 67 members have either (1) played 2 passes on some days or (2) bought a pass at least once. 183 members have absolutely never bought a pass.

  From what I can garner The Peoples Club members buy about 30 CC Passes a day out of our 250 members.   

  With those numbers in mind I did a calculation to determine if it makes economic sense for WGT to give two passes to each CC member at the start of the new day (midnight GMT).

  These calculations assume:

  1) The average player of a CC Pass plays a 9 hole round;

  2) The average player of a CC Pass purchases a ball that costs 400 credits a sleeve;

  3) The average player in The Peoples Club is similar to the average player in other CCs.

  With those thoughts in mind; the average player spends about 27 credits on ball wear when playing a free pass.

  So if WGT gave out 2 free passes at midnight GMT the quick analysis would be that WGT is losing 10 credits (27 cr in ball uses versus buying a pass at 37 cr).

  The quick analysis however is wrong.

  This is true even in a very active Country Club like The Peoples Club.

  The reason is simple:

  1) Free passes are not negative income to WGT as it costs WGT nothing;

  2) Real income to WGT comes from ball usage (27 cr) and CC members buying passes (37 cr).

  In The Peoples Club has 250 members and the total membership buy about 30 passes a day. Another way of looking at it 12% buy a CC pass and 88% do not buy one.   

  The question for WGT profit line then becomes a simple one:

  Would the group that never buys a second pass play more and offset the one lost purchase of a pass by those who are now buying their second one on a daily basis?

  WGT would lose about 300 credits a day giving 2 passes at midnight GMT to members of The Peoples Club, BUT, stand to gain somepercentage of 5,940 credits on ball usage.

  The math is pretty clear – it takes just 12 of the 220 members of The Peoples Club playing just one of their free ones daily as of now to play one more round using their second free pass for WGT to make more than lost in sales of CC passes.     

• andyson 6,415 Posts

  Tue, Aug 18 2015 7:49 AM

  pdb1:

  My bad for not refreshing your memories . I forgot you guys are old too .

  Don't assume I forgot my reply to Easy Edward's post last year....

  pdb1:

  Originally who knows why I omitted its entirety . I forget . Very common occurrence.

  Yeah, who knows?

• YankeeJim 25,827 Posts

  Tue, Aug 18 2015 8:48 AM

  PaulTon:

   

  oneeyedjohn:

  Nanstar / Lobsters Lair - I'll be in touch asap.

  Ignoring Grande Oaks, John, or scared?   ;)

   

  One at a time now, Paul.  Stand in line.  ;-)

  (If John didn't see this I'll make sure he did.)

• Jresh0817 1,414 Posts

  Tue, Aug 18 2015 12:03 PM

  Grande Oaks is perfect in CvC competition ..15-0 and still CHAMPION OF THE WORLD!!!!

  oneeyedjohn:

  MBaggese:

  pdb1:

  CC to try and stay in the top 5 .

   

  Top 5 in what regards?

  Precisely, how do u define top 5.

  I don't think there are 5 CC's out there that could beat Cosa Nostra in a 15 man head to head match up.

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  Bridgestone,  AAA and Wooden Tee, don't bother, we've done u already.

   

• pdb1 25,001 Posts

  Tue, Aug 18 2015 1:09 PM

  Jresh0817:

  Precisely, how do u define top 5.

    Obviously with regards to the meaningless amount of credits and money that the only meaningless list that we are privy to and obviously representing the priorities of the powers that be . Is the meaningless list below . With this list one could crunch the meaningless numbers that would reveal the senseless greediness  that these 5 top CC's have been lured into to represent what WGT feels is the top 5 of notice . 

    When everyone else knows differently . We all know that this list represents no amount of individual skill , no outstanding CC or individual accomplishments . In fact none of those meaningful lists are provided to us . ( not that I am aware of anyway ) .

    So just to play along with your inquiry J . If there were real lists for real WGT golf milestones and accomplishments . It would appear that your CC would top that list .

    How am I doing J ? Is that kinda what you were fishing for?

    Anyway here is the list that represents the incredible amount  $ spent on the competitive greediness encouraged here .

    But J . You knew that already . 

   

  ?

   

• MBaggese 15,356 Posts

  Tue, Aug 18 2015 1:24 PM

  pdb1:

  Anyway here is the list that represents the incredible amount  $ spent on the competitive greediness encouraged here .

   

    Not so sure...i/e are you assuming the members are buying CC passes?

   

  Without looking at the 5 clubs you've listed, and knowing how the People Club is very active with their play...I think what you see here (again, I could be wrong) is fully loaded CC's (near 250 members each) who are very active...really no more money spent than 5 CC's with 50 players each who are active as well.

   

  Edit:

   

  A quick scan of the CC's you've shown there, show a majority of the player have played today or yesterday...in come cases all of the players have.

• alosso 20,943 Posts

  Tue, Aug 18 2015 1:55 PM

  MBaggese:

  Not so sure...i/e are you assuming the members are buying CC passes?

  No assumption but reality, since Edward was quoted above that 11 % of his CC's members buy passes daily, and this happens in many, if not most CCs.

  I'm not pleased about that - the money making product without much bonus for the players sells just too good.

• MBaggese 15,356 Posts

  Tue, Aug 18 2015 2:38 PM

  alosso:

  MBaggese:

  Not so sure...i/e are you assuming the members are buying CC passes?

  No assumption but reality, since Edward was quoted above that 11 % of his CC's members buy passes daily, and this happens in many, if not most CCs.

  I'm not pleased about that - the money making product without much bonus for the players sells just too good.

  Point taken, but still, that leaves roughly 225 active players using the free pass(es) given.

   

  Really the only way to settle things is get the best players from all the clubs and get out on the courses, now this could only take a few years to solve...lol.

  I think the levels show "most active" clubs

  Earning show (for the most part) who's willing to take the risk for the reward...but earning can be so skewed, I don't think it's a valid item to use.

   

  Remember awhile back, WGT (think it was Pizza) put on a "who's the best CC" thing?

  Of course I got stuck with BiB in the finals and promptly got my butt waxed...but it might be an option if one were so inclined to host and run it.

   

  It would eliminate activity, earning, etc...and just put players against players to work it out.

  Markone runs a similar thing as well, utilizing WGT SP weeklies.

   

• pdb1 25,001 Posts

  Tue, Aug 18 2015 2:44 PM

  MBaggese:

  really no more money spent than 5 CC's with 50 players each who are active as well.

    That's where I am sure the original figures that were calculated before 

  EasyEdward  09-18-2014 2:13 PM 5,879 Posts  And were meant to show minimal pass and credit usage . And before the "GREAT CLASH DEDEBACLE " OF 2015 .  When all things changed . Especially to drive to not use the minimum but to spend and use whatever it takes to achieve that top 5 .   You will find that this is true if you re run the numbers . Your statement about 50 member CC's is completely out of line . For instance , all 50 would have to average approximately 1100 XP's per day everyday to even come close to the 50th position . You guys do the numbers and quit dodging it .

• pdb1 25,001 Posts

  Tue, Aug 18 2015 2:46 PM

   Lol fk it . Not editing it . It is what it is . 

   MBaggese:

  really no more money spent than 5 CC's with 50 players each who are active as well.

   

    How do you figure ? That statement astounds me . 100 to 200 XP's each per day for the big CC's . Opposed to what would be 10's of thousands XP's each per day for a 50 member CC to touch the top 5  . Seriously do the fking #'s . I did for for my 60 member ( at the time ) CC . 

    We are now in another rebuilding stage and have no reason to be concerned . But that is how I know that you guys ( refusing to do the #'s ) have no idea .