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• oneputtdavid 1,337 Posts

  Sat, Sep 11 2010 6:13 PM

  "Should people like you and Israelis ever learn to behave themselves" Not quite sure what you are communicating here. Please clarify? "I would have no problem telling Muslims to behave themselves better as well'. Ok you go tell Muslims to behave........you'll get your throat slit, then they'll take your wife, girlfriend, sister, and mother, make them 2ND class citizens, cover their bodies from head to toe, mutilate their private area, and if they rebel take them out and stone them to death....ummm....nice class of people YOU defend. Perhaps you should at least educate yourself before opening your mouth and inserting foot. Appears you are of their persuasion, by your dislike for Israelis and Americans...... By the way I am both, and not ashamed of either..... If you are not a Muslim sympathizer, then please, I repeat please tell me how you would react to a sect whose purpose in life is to eradicate not only the Jews but western civilization and culture. Read their doctrine "moron". And if your answer is that of Liberal nature, (for i am convinced that "Liberalism is a mental disorder") you can take it and put it where the sun don't shine.

• CharlemagneRH 1,054 Posts

  Sat, Sep 11 2010 6:22 PM

  oneputtdavid:

  If you are not a Muslim sympathizer, then please, I repeat please tell me how you would react to a sect whose purpose in life is to eradicate not only the Jews but western civilization and culture.

  I'm not going to respond to the entirety of your post, but I will respond to this point, especially since it has to do with a previous post that I've made, which you chose to ignore.

   

  ¹² If you hear it said about one of the towns the LORD your God is giving you to live in ¹³ that wicked men have arisen among you and have led the people of their town astray, saying, "Let us go and worship other gods" (gods you have not known), ¹⁴ then you must inquire, probe and investigate it thoroughly. And if it is true and it has been proved that this detestable thing has been done among you, ¹⁵ you must certainly put to the sword all who live in that town. Destroy it completely, ^[a] both its people and its livestock. ¹⁶ Gather all the plunder of the town into the middle of the public square and completely burn the town and all its plunder as a whole burnt offering to the LORD your God. It is to remain a ruin forever, never to be rebuilt. ¹⁷ None of those condemned things ^[b] shall be found in your hands, so that the LORD will turn from his fierce anger; he will show you mercy, have compassion on you, and increase your numbers, as he promised on oath to your forefathers, ¹⁸ because you obey the LORD your God, keeping all his commands that I am giving you today and doing what is right in his eyes.

   

  Source?

  Jewish Old Testament.  Deuteronomy 13.

  This is only one of literally hundreds of examples of nastiness that can be found in the Jewish Old Testament.

   

  Now, if what you meant by your question was, "Please tell me how you would react to a sect whose purpose in life is to eradicate people who are different than them," then my response would have to be "I don't like such people," which is why I don't like Jews, Catholics (well, I like them -- just not their church,) and even many of the new groups that like to call themselves Protestant.  The difference, here, though, is that (1) Muslims didn't start this, and (2) they are not carrying out atrocities in my name, with my tax dollars.

  Now, if what you meant by your question really was, "Please tell me how you would react to a sect whose purpose in life is to eradicate not only the Jews but western civilization and culture," then my response would be "Sounds like they're giving Jews a taste of their own medicine.  Spunky.  I like it.  I'll defend the Western Civilization, though.  They'd better keep their hands off my books on Paine, Jefferson, etc."

• Richard4168 4,309 Posts

  Sat, Sep 11 2010 6:30 PM

  oneputtdavid:

  Appears you are of their persuasion, by your dislike for Israelis and Americans..

  David, if the Texas Conservatives heard good time Charle here in the forums, they would skin him alive.  : )

• CharlemagneRH 1,054 Posts

  Sat, Sep 11 2010 6:33 PM

  Richard4168:

  oneputtdavid:

  Appears you are of their persuasion, by your dislike for Israelis and Americans..

  David, if the Texas Conservatives heard good time Charle here in the forums, they would skin him alive.  : )

  I live in Texas, and I have dozens of friends whose take on politics is quite similar to mine, if not the same.

  GG, though, Richard.

• oneputtdavid 1,337 Posts

  Sat, Sep 11 2010 8:28 PM

  Charlemagne....let me clarify one thing first. I believe there is only One true God, his full name is Lord Jesus Christ. But you and I can call him Jesus (Colossians 1:15-20) Look it up....... Secondly the scriptures that you have quoted need to be taken in context. The Lord Jehovah by the name he was called then did not eradicate people for the sake of the Jews. But because of their love of pleasures (does Sodom and Gomorrah ring a bell) and their "religious" beliefs in false gods and idol worship. Not to mention their common practice of human sacrifices..... I tend to look at it as a father protecting his children against things that only lead to destruction. Would you as a father want to protect your young sons and daughters against perverts, pornography, etc, etc, and people who would condemn the good things you instill in your children?........One thing you probably don't realize is that Judaism came along at least 2,500 yrs before the Muslim faith was conceived....Look it up.....A little history. Abraham was the father of the Israeli and Arabic races. Remember Issac and Ishmael, Jacob and Esau... look it up (start in Genisis)...the difference is that one chose to live according to Gods promise. You figure out which one did....Now to conclude. Your confession of your dislike for Jews is not enough for me to not befriend you, but your apparent sympathy for the Muslims has caused alarm. Not to mention your lack of understanding of who the one true God is...I'll give you a hint his initials are LJC.....look it up.... As far as "Religion" goes in today's society it will be judged weather good or bad, just as we all will be. All this said, I'm still proud to be of the USA.

• CharlemagneRH 1,054 Posts

  Sat, Sep 11 2010 8:53 PM

  oneputtdavid:

  Charlemagne....let me clarify one thing first. I believe there is only One true God, his full name is Lord Jesus Christ. But you and I can call him Jesus (Colossians 1:15-20) Look it up....... Secondly the scriptures that you have quoted need to be taken in context. The Lord Jehovah by the name he was called then did not eradicate people for the sake of the Jews. But because of their love of pleasures (does Sodom and Gomorrah ring a bell) and their "religious" beliefs in false gods and idol worship.

  Yes, let us not forget what Moses did to some simple idol worshippers, those that did nothing "wrong" (if we want to take the opinions of the arrogant followers of Abrahamic religion seriously) other than worshiping the golden calf:  He slaughtered all of them.

  All part of the renowned tolerance of Jews towards others, no doubt.

  oneputtdavid:

  ........One thing you probably don't realize is that Judaism came along at least 2,500 yrs before the Muslim faith was conceived....Look it up.....A little history.

  OOOOO a history lesson.  Why thank you!

  Yes, I am well aware that Islam came after Judaism.  Islam, after all, is a spinoff of Christianity, which is a spinoff of Judaism.  Thus, it would be hard for Islam to come before Judaism.

  And, although I did not spell it out, your claim that it is the goal of all Muslims to kill (or otherwise eradicate) Jews and Christians is most likely based upon that exact quote... or other variations of it, of course... it was, after all, something that was repeated ad nauseum, in the Jewish Torah, presumably in order to provide emphasis.

  oneputtdavid:

  Abraham was the father of the Israeli and Arabic races. Remember Issac and Ishmael, Jacob and Esau... look it up (start in Genisis)...the difference is that one chose to live according to Gods promise. You figure out which one did....Now to conclude.

  Yes, Genesis gives us a nice little story about how the different races came from different characters in the Bible.

  Amongst them is Ham, said to be the ancestor of black people, and it is in Genesis that "God" condemns Ham's son, Canaan, and all of his descendants to servitude to some of the other races: namely Jews and Europeans.

  Just one of the many things that we can thank Jews for... racial slavery.  Gosh... ain't Judaism grand?

   

  I'll tell you what, David, you made an improvement converting from Judaism to Christianity (a religion in which followers are supposed to be, but rarely ever are, tolerant,) but unfortunately, a lot of the worst parts of your character did not make the conversion.  I don't think Jesus would appreciate your xenophobic, hateful attitude, even if Muslims aren't perfect.  (And who could expect them to be, when we are perpetually bombing their countries, largely without reasonable justification?)  If we were to apply your methods in a non-hypocritical manner, we'd have to burn Torahs and Talmuds as well, and advocate slaughter of all Jews.  Luckily for you, most people are not quite as intolerant as you are.

• oneputtdavid 1,337 Posts

  Sat, Sep 11 2010 10:21 PM

   I'll tell you what, David, you made an improvement converting from Judaism to Christianity (a religion in which followers are supposed to be, but rarely ever are, tolerant,) but unfortunately, a lot of the worst parts of your character did not make the conversion. 

   First of all Charle. I did not convert from Judaism to Christianity. My Jewish heritage came from my fathers linage. Who by the way I never knew. In fact because my mother was a "gentile" Norwegian and Cherokee, I can not be accepted as a true Jew.

  Your quotes (miss quotes) if I may add, of scripture and lengthy definitions to defend your opinions just shows me the ignorance of your position. I bet a dime on a dollar your education,values, and political views comes from some liberal, left wing,"progressive" (another word for "mental disorder") University, whose professors brain wash our children in the way of European countries and bring our nation of values to a deteriating level as theirs. I'm enjoying this conversation and will rebutt your additonal comments later. Right now my swing meter is "glitzless" and don't want to miss this "rare" opputunity to play without frustration. To be continued...............   

• oneputtdavid 1,337 Posts

  Sat, Sep 11 2010 10:44 PM

  Quote="Richard4168"

  "David, if the Texas Conservatives heard good time Charle here in the forums, they would skin him alive.  : )"

   Now, now, Richard lets not be so barbaric, as to give "foreigners" one more thing to hate us for. On second thought.... yea lets be so. Or we could just hang'em by his thumbs for a couple of days. lol 

• CharlemagneRH 1,054 Posts

  Sat, Sep 11 2010 11:18 PM

  oneputtdavid:

  Your quotes (miss quotes) if I may add, of scripture and lengthy definitions to defend your opinions just shows me the ignorance of your position.

  They're right there for everyone to read, buddy.  People can see for themselves what the passages say.

  oneputtdavid:

  I bet a dime on a dollar your education,values, and political views comes from some liberal, left wing,"progressive" (another word for "mental disorder") University, whose professors brain wash our children in the way of European countries and bring our nation of values to a deteriating level as theirs.

  Nope.  I went to a university that was pretty "Conservative."

  Of course, I didn't learn this stuff at a university, either.  I learned it by reading books for myself, and those books were completely irrefutable, so I had no alternative other than to accept their contents as truth.

  I'm sure you know the books, seeing as how you are apparently best friends with Michael Savage.  They're the books that you can't refute, so you just label them "anti-semitic" (even though the following books are written exclusively by Jews,) "anti-American," "liberal," or "left-wing."

  You know...

  Beyond Chutzpah: On the Misuse of "anti-Semitism" and the Abuse of History by Norman Finkelstein
  Jewish History, Jewish Religion by Israel Shahak
  Open Secrets by Israel Shahak
  51 Documents: Zionist Collaboration with the *** by Lenny Brenner

  Even The Seventh Million by Tom Segev painted a pretty dubious picture: Amongst other things, Zionist terrorist organizations blowing up Palestinian marketplaces as far back as the 1930s in attempts to intimidate the Palestinians off their (yes, their) land.

  And who could forget the best of them all? The Old Testament and the Talmud.

• PureWhiPlasH 55 Posts

  Sat, Sep 11 2010 11:35 PM

  Jesus Christ was not a god. Jesus is called the firstborn of all creation, for he was God s first creation.Now @ Psalm 83:18 it says, That people may know that you, whose name is Jehovah, You alone are the Most High over all the earth.Please if your gonna talk about God and Jesus Please know who is who!!!