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Wed, Feb 1 2023 5:15 PM (51 replies)
  • pdb1
    25,001 Posts
    Tue, Dec 20 2022 11:00 PM

    I have edited the title to more accurately decribe my point .

    Except for the fact that the Forum reply email system is broken . And I receive every response coming out of the Forums .

    New ones

    Old ones

    All the CC Corner ones

    None of the above have I ever responded in .

    And of course I get the ones I have responded in .

    But the problem is I would normally never have seen them . Therefore not likely to respond to them .

    But for some of them . I'm glad I did .

    These are 1st posts . By some fairly new players . Some wait 10 years before they try asking these basic questions .

    But the bad thing is . All of these players are in " Dead CC's " . CC's who's owner abandoned them a long time ago . Full of recruits . Maybe a couple of active players .

    No one can benefit from the programs , abilities , knowledge , etc . That an active CC with an active owner can offer . If you don't have an active owner .

    That is why these players are coming to the Forums . They should be able to get their answers right there in their CC's .

    The reason they are in these dead CC's is because WGT randomly places them in them .

    These dead CC's just keep filling up . The players stagnate . And finally quit WGT altogether . For the simple fact that they have no knowledge or resources to do anything . Finally deciding that the WGT thing aint all that . And their gone . Or they just forget about their account .

    This is a big problem and not getting better .

    Right this minute a new WGTer just got placed in an inactive dead CC without an active owner . And it continues . and continues .

    IDK if you all know about the thousands of DEAD CC's . Full of stagnate members . Members that just gave up . For the lack of knowledge .

    Just 2 days ago I answered a 1st Post a basic inquiry from a member since 2013 . In an inactive CC the whole time . All this time he had no clue .

    I believe WGT management has an obligation to at least try to keep this problem from getting worse .

    Stop the random placement of new WGTers in inactive CC's .

    Consider allowing legitimate interestsd individuals to become owners to ownerless CC's .

    Right now they won't . Because they don't want to step on the derelict owners toes .

    10's of thousands of clueless players are tied up in these dead CC's .

    Something should change .

    If you agree . Please post here .

    Kept short and sweet for easy troll reading

  • callaghan159
    6,017 Posts
    Wed, Dec 21 2022 3:30 AM

    Sorry but this post like others is to long for me to take the time to read. Not into reading novels.

  • tramilleo
    1,835 Posts
    Wed, Dec 21 2022 6:18 AM

     

     

     

    +100

  • IamNicklaus
    475 Posts
    Wed, Dec 21 2022 7:35 AM

    Ignoring the  troll posts , I will try and add something constructive .

    Are you really saying , that people don't realise they can leave a club  and simply  join another one ?  The ability to do this is quite straightforward both by the app and by logging into your account on wgt.com. and requires the minimum amount of brain cell usage to work out.

    Still think you are making this out to be more of a problem than it actually is , and still maintain there is a large percentage of cc members who are only interested in the free shot and putter pal ( the lack of participation in cc forums bears this out and always has done) . 

    Also , who gets to decide when  the club is dead .?...an owner might decide to take a sabbatical and return .

  • pdb1
    25,001 Posts
    Wed, Dec 21 2022 1:47 PM

    IamNicklaus:
    Are you really saying , that people don't realise they can leave a club  and simply  join another one ?  The ability to do this is quite straightforward both by the app and by logging into your account on wgt.com. and requires the minimum amount of brain cell usage to work out.

    That is certainly one option that many do not seem to realize for quite some time . If ever .

    In 2013 and the following 6 years , as a CC owner . Among other methods , I spent a huge amount of time and effort attempting to recruit a GR8 many of these types of players . I came to the conclusion that MOST were stuck and clueless . The very few that I actually communicated with , were aware of their status .

    IamNicklaus:
    Still think you are making this out to be more of a problem than it actually is , and still maintain there is a large percentage of cc members who are only interested in the free shot and putter pal ( the lack of participation in cc forums bears this out and always has done)

    You can feel that way . That's fine . I have a different perspective being an ex CC owner .

    The CC's I'm referring to do not maintain enough activity to offer free shot and putter pal . And likely do not even have an active CC Forum .

    That is why we are seeing so many new and 1st poster's belonging to dead CC's . Asking the most basic questions here in the main Forums . All the things that should be easily found in any CC , its CC Forum , from the owner , directors , helpful members , etc .

    You are correct that there are seemingly active CC's . With seemingly active owners . That probably have very lacking information and CC Forums . I am not talking about them . But that is also a damn shame .

    IamNicklaus:
    Also , who gets to decide when  the club is dead .?...an owner might decide to take a sabbatical and return .

    You're joking right ? There is but a very small handful of CC's that have it together enough to be able to offer such a relief to their owner and have the CC carry on with normal stability in the owners absence .

    Also speaking from experience . The mere mention of the subject can trigger many unwanted results . Forget about mentioning leaving .

    Current example . Newly solved . Not for the first time for a CC  . And not as easy as it sounds . Dubfore can vouch for that .

    IE : CLOSING: FAIR PLAY GOLF CLUB

  • TheDudemeister69
    1,498 Posts
    Wed, Dec 21 2022 2:09 PM

    Funny that while endlessly extolling the virtues of belonging to an active CC, pdb1, you do not belong to one yourself.  I am aware that you were once the owner of VOTSCC, and (for whatever reason) that CC is defunct.  However, if membership in a CC is such an important part of WGT, as you say it is, why do you not belong to one?

    I belong to a CC, and I thoroughly enjoy it, but the CC environment is not for everyone, nor is it essential for enjoying this game.  You don't seem to consider that there are many players in WGT that aren't in active CCs simply because they don't want to be.  They play coin rooms, WGT tournaments, etc. - and have no need for a CC.  Except, of course, the free shot pal and putter pal - the best way to get that is belong to a CC.  Whether or not that CC is active doesn't matter to them, though, they get the shot pal and putter pal, and that's all they want.

    There are many people in WGT that have no interest in or use for CCs.  There are also many who, for a variety of reasons, have been turned off of CCs, often by clubs that have onerous play requirements.  You are being presumptuous by being the self-proclaimed messiah of country clubs, intruding on these people by posting on their walls imploring them to join an active CC.  And you don't even belong to one yourself!

     

  • pdb1
    25,001 Posts
    Wed, Dec 21 2022 2:23 PM

    TheDudemeister69:

    Funny that while endlessly extolling the virtues of belonging to an active CC, pdb1, you do not belong to one yourself.  I am aware that you were once the owner of VOTSCC, and (for whatever reason) that CC is defunct.  However, if membership in a CC is such an important part of WGT, as you say it is, why do you not belong to one?

    I belong to a CC, and I thoroughly enjoy it, but the CC environment is not for everyone, nor is it essential for enjoying this game.  You don't seem to consider that there are many players in WGT that aren't in active CCs simply because they don't want to be.  They play coin rooms, WGT tournaments, etc. - and have no need for a CC.  Except, of course, the free shot pal and putter pal - the best way to get that is belong to a CC.  Whether or not that CC is active doesn't matter to them, though, they get the shot pal and putter pal, and that's all they want.

    There are many people in WGT that have no interest in or use for CCs.  There are also many who, for a variety of reasons, have been turned off of CCs, often by clubs that have onerous play requirements.  You are being presumptuous by being the self-proclaimed messiah of country clubs, intruding on these people by posting on their walls imploring them to join an active CC.  And you don't even belong to one yourself!

     

    I will gladly answer all of that .

    I am a huge proponent of CC's . At this time I am not ready to join another group .

    I can ( but won't ) bring up many posts and comments I have made acknowledging that CC's are not for everyone .

    Lol . Am not self proclaimed anything . Just a contributor to these Forums .

    If a player has come to my attention . By way of certain inquiries in these Forums . I click on his or her profile and find the reason they need to inquire in the main Forums is because they are unfortunately in a dead CC . I then politely inform them that they have a choice to scout better CC's .

  • IamNicklaus
    475 Posts
    Wed, Dec 21 2022 2:37 PM

    pdb1:
    You're joking right ? There is but a very small handful of CC's that have it together enough to be able to offer such a relief to their owner and have the CC carry on with normal stability in the owners absence

    Why would I be joking ? .....Many clubs continue with an absent owner , managed by directors with tools.   And the reason is because the player pool left within the club is happy to plod on with free shot and putter pal.

    You clearly think that the people you have alerted to being in what you call a dead cc and who have actually responded to you , is somehow a significant number of these people as a whole , it's not!  .  What percentage of these have actually responded to you ? 

    There are many people who will carry on in an inactive cc , simply because they are not interested in in getting involved in another club  and are quite happy as they are .

    Saviour syndrome is an actual thing ! :)

  • IamNicklaus
    475 Posts
    Wed, Dec 21 2022 2:55 PM

    pdb1:
    In 2013 and the following 6 years , as a CC owner . Among other methods , I spent a huge amount of time and effort attempting to recruit a GR8 many of these types of players . I came to the conclusion that MOST were stuck and clueless . The very few that I actually communicated with , were aware of their status

    Ummm how can you form that conclusion , when you go onto say you only communicated with  " the very few " .  Perhaps it's worth considering that the majority of people who didn't  communicate felt no need to and were quite happy eh .

    Anyway , we could have a whole page of people disagreeing with you and you still wouldn't concede they had a valid point ...Dudemeister pretty much summed it up as far as im concerned , so no need to to go back and forth anymore .  Have a good xmas holiday.

  • pdb1
    25,001 Posts
    Wed, Dec 21 2022 3:07 PM

    IamNicklaus:

    pdb1:
    You're joking right ? There is but a very small handful of CC's that have it together enough to be able to offer such a relief to their owner and have the CC carry on with normal stability in the owners absence

    Why would I be joking ? .....Many clubs continue with an absent owner , managed by directors with tools.   And the reason is because the player pool left within the club is happy to plod on with free shot and putter pal.

    You clearly think that the people you have alerted to being in what you call a dead cc and who have actually responded to you , is somehow a significant number of these people as a whole , it's not!  .  What percentage of these have actually responded to you ? 

    There are many people who will carry on in an inactive cc , simply because they are not interested in in getting involved in another club  and are quite happy as they are .

    Saviour syndrome is an actual thing ! :)

     

    Again . You can feel that way .

    I know the facts to be different .

    Very few respond to those . If I can help in any small way . I am fine . No response needed .

    Here is a very old list . Not including all of the DEAD CC's I have seen lately . I stopped recording them a long time ago .

    Not even the tip of the iceberg .

     REDNECK NATION 3


    Calamity Golfers

    Happy Hackers

    Kellys

    Kings Of Golf

    Brooklyns Sheepshead Bay Country Club

    Hole in One country club

    Desperately Seeking Par

    Diamonds

    The Normans Webb collective

    THE SHARK MILKERS

    THE KIWI GOLFERS

    FREAKIN AWESOME

    Rock and Roll Rasta

    Trysting Tree Players Club

    LAKE SIDE VIEW 1 active non owner member in a long time abandoned CC

    The Best Golf Country Club

    Quebec Royal Club

    Raiders country club

    UGA BULLDAWG NATIONAL

    Ravenswood CC

    THE UK GOLFERS ELITE CC

    CoolALsClub

    The Madrid Golf Club

    Kitty Hawk Golf Resort

    Kush and Belvedere Country Club

    Koch Country Club

    Kingsville

    AN ARMY OF ONE

    Armed and Hammered

    Au Revior Gopher Country Club

    ADC Bunkerbusters

    Alpha Golf Club

    Bunny Ranch CC

    Birdies eagles and outlaws

    Bogie Bandits

    Caddyshack Inc

    cheyenne social country club

    CHRISTIAN STANDARDS

    Club Mile High

    DALLAS COWBOYS FAN CLUB

    DRIVE FOR SHOW - PUTT FOR DOUGH

    Deadheads

    DragonRiders

    Double Tree Country Club

    crazy crazy daves golf and countryclub

    Royal country Club

    standard country club

    the 19th hole

    thedarkside country club

    royal dgas

    crossing the fairways

    Goodbye Blue Monday

    PA Woodchuckers

    NZ Kiwis Countery Club

    Chuck Norris Country Club

    Selma Club Swingers

    Thailand CC

    hurricane isles

    19 TEE COUNTRY CLUBS

     Ghandis Flip Flop

    YorkshirePride

    WISDOM CC

    Swedish WGT junkies GK

    Not just another CLUB of the WORLD

    The Mile High Country Club

    Beefeaters

    The Bread Winners

    THE KIAWAH ISLAND CLUB

    Teed-Off

    The outdoor recreation

    EAGLESANDBIRDIES

    robinhood

    Scotland Home And Away

    Pukis And Friends

    high desert hackers

    The Royal Alberta Golf and Country

    concord golf club

    etcetera ,etcetera ,etcetera ,etcetera ,etcetera ,etcetera ,etcetera ,etcetera ,

    There are actually many thousands of these CC's .
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