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Wed, Apr 7 2021 12:07 AM (17 replies)
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  • pdb1
    21,891 Posts
    Mon, Apr 5 2021 8:23 AM

    MarchieB:
    your previous AVG is the equivalent of ONE scored round.

      Your previous average is the average of all of the rounds you have been playing .

      Not 1 round .

  • sexysuzie
    3,460 Posts
    Tue, Apr 6 2021 12:32 PM

    then again  you could be like a lot of players and just not finish bad rounds   only keeping the good ones  thus never inflating their average

  • SamSpayed
    3,074 Posts
    Tue, Apr 6 2021 4:19 PM

    pdb1:
    How fair is that window of that 1 round that could add 6 months to your 6 months of tiering up of just 1 tier .1 round of 83 could make you have to go from 83 to a 63 to the next tier .That is what happens all the time . To a majority of players .

    A bad round (like an 83 in your example) won't add any more time for you to reach the next tier than the time it took you to play it.  

    The reason is this:  Each tier uses only the best X ranked rounds in calculating your average.  Once you become saturated (i.e. you've played X ranked rounds at your current tier), the next time you shoot a round below 83, that 83 will fall off and will no longer be included in your average.

    This is why you see players' averages start dropping quickly once they reach saturation.  Even their not-so-great scores are knocking their horrible rounds (the 83's and such) out of the calculation.

  • pdb1
    21,891 Posts
    Tue, Apr 6 2021 5:49 PM

    sexysuzie:

    then again  you could be like a lot of players and just not finish bad rounds   only keeping the good ones  thus never inflating their average

      Except that that won't work . All rounds ranked or scored count against ones average and game completion . .

      With the exception of only 1 format . Unlimited play single players stroke play rounds . WGT provides those for ecery tier . With default settings . Or you can create them with personalized custom settings in your CC .

      In those rounds . Unfinished rounds are not counted . At all . The only round that counts in those unlimited play single player rounds . Is a round you complete .

    SamSpayed:

    A bad round (like an 83 in your example) won't add any more time for you to reach the next tier than the time it took you to play it.  

    The reason is this:  Each tier uses only the best X ranked rounds in calculating your average.  Once you become saturated (i.e. you've played X ranked rounds at your current tier), the next time you shoot a round below 83, that 83 will fall off and will no longer be included in your average.

    This is why you see players' averages start dropping quickly once they reach saturation.  Even their not-so-great scores are knocking their horrible rounds (the 83's and such) out of the calculation.

      I'm sorry Sam . I don't believe that is what occurs .

      First of all there are a lot of players that are not saturated . Struggling to play a round equal to or below their average . A majority of their rounds . Are above their average . And will raise their average . On each of those rounds that are not played in unlimited play format .

      Second . I didn't see any players averages dropping quickly or even slowly once they reached saturation .Seriously . We wish .

      All that does is now allow them to complete the bad rounds or rounds over their average . As you said they are discarded . But will still be a high majority of their rounds played .

      Still . Of the WGT Universe . There is still a very small % of players able to continue playing at a steady rate with decreases in their scores .

      It is not as easy as it looks on paper .

      Do you know how many " TRAILBLAZERS " I perused as I collected the 500 with start dates of 2007 , 2008 , 2009 that have been active still in the last few months ?

      Close to 4500 to get the active 500 that i have . Out of that 4500 or even the 500 . There probably isn't 50 of them above the Legend tier . And barely that .

      That tells you just how hard this game really is . All in all .Even the very first original players . That helped blaze the trails . 15 years ago . Are not at high level tiers . Will tell you the same

      So just because you and your buddies find it so easy just to breeze right on through . That is not the norm .

      Tiering up is a serious fight for most WGTers . No matter what you think or say .

  • alosso
    20,268 Posts
    Tue, Apr 6 2021 10:19 PM

    Paul, you omitted something:

    pdb1:
    MarchieB:
    your previous AVG is the equivalent of ONE scored round.
      Your previous average is the average of all of the rounds you have been playing .
    ... in this particular tier!

    So, after the first round in a new tier, it's the "average" of one score.

  • alosso
    20,268 Posts
    Tue, Apr 6 2021 10:31 PM

    pdb1:
    How fair is that window of that 1 round that could add 6 months to your 6 months of tiering up of just 1 tier .1 round of 83 could make you have to go from 83 to a 63 to the next tier .
    Not at all!

    You don't have to "wait until the average goes down" but you wait until you have collected enough good rounds to calculate the necessary average.

    As Sam said, after saturation, all it needs to eliminate a bad round is one good round. Any "bad round" goes to the garbage, but it helped you practice your game.

    pdb1:
    To base a whole tier on the score of 1 round . Is not a fair and equal assessment of your average play . It is a total crap shoot .
    True but just temporary, and ev1 should know it. Plus, you soon add more rounds to obtain the objective representation.

    pdb1:
    Weighted totally against your favor .
    Excuse me, that's a hilarious misinterpretation. And why should it be against you? If you start with a 59, it will look good in most tiers!

  • pdb1
    21,891 Posts
    Wed, Apr 7 2021 12:07 AM

      Ugh you're missing the point .

      To start a new tier IE : Master with a 66 . Would undoubtedly result in some rise . On the way to saturation and the goal to lower to 63 .

      To start a new tier IE : Master with an 83 . Without a doubt would  take much longer to saturate and make the journey down to 63 .

      Why not allow all new Masters the same level field and begin the tier with the 66 they earned to tier up ?

      It makes no sense to have to rely and play a crap shoot new round that could place 1 new Master with a 83 . Another with a 77 . Another with a 74 . Another with a 69 .

      All of a sudden 1 bad round extremely separates 4 equally matched Masters with miles of difference in their average .

      If they were allowed to all keep their 66 . The parity would be there . Without the possibility of 1 round unfairly marking some with much farther to go than others at the same skill level .

      If at 66 . If one of them consistently scores an 83 . Then obviously his average would creep up longer than the others . Over a period of time . His fate in his own hands . Not ruled by the luck of the score of 1 round .

      I am surprised this is not obvious .

      This should be the same for all tiers

  • Mythanatos
    1,866 Posts
    Wed, Apr 7 2021 6:43 AM

    pdb1:

    Wow . Okay . Just suppose you play a few rounds at 66 . Say you get lucky .

      Then comes the 72 round . Your average only does up .02 or something . 66.02 .

      How fair is that window of that 1 round that could add 6 months to your 6 months of tiering up of just 1 tier .1 round of 83 could make you have to go from 83 to a 63 to the next tier .That is what happens all the time . To a majority of players .

      I don't agree . I am sorry you guys don't get it . It has never been fair .

      To base a whole tier on the score of 1 round . Is not a fair and equal assessment of your average play . It is a total crap shoot . Weighted totally against your favor .

    You got one fact right but then you have no understanding at all on the concept of saturation. You really couldn't be any more wrong. 

     

    Go back and re-read what i Said. 

    Resetting the average is an advantage not a penalty. You're not grasping basic concepts about how the math and the system works.

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