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Wed, May 4 2022 4:57 AM (95 replies)
  • pdb1
    23,351 Posts
    Tue, Feb 22 2022 2:03 PM

    SamSpayed:

    ct690911:
    The only thing wgt should be fixing are all the glitches. Then many of the players (like yours truly) would return.

    Agreed.  Their development team needs to be fixing bugs, not doing stupid stuff like re-working the My Tournaments page (and screwing that up too), that nobody asked for.

    + 1000

  • twinponds169
    2,880 Posts
    Tue, Feb 22 2022 2:39 PM

    pdb1:
    I want to be brief

    LMFAO

  • DodgyPutter
    4,231 Posts
    Tue, Feb 22 2022 2:58 PM

    Mythanatos:

    something like 95% of all patents are never commercialized.  VEM is more than likely an idea that never saw reality.

    and  the continued success of the same individuals in tournaments time and time again indicates that.

    it does however seem to exist as an excuse for inconsistent players.

    VEM is in use in this game but I'm not really disagreeing with you, I think you're right in what you mean and you have been the last few posts in this thread. 

    The VEM in use is precision and forgiveness. 

    I know I've copied it before but I think the post below is well worth reading carefully.

    WGTniv:

    Wow, you guys have made this so amazingly more complicated than it is.  Let me see what I can do to simplify this...

    The game is pretty simple.  Precision controls your accuracy.  Imagine it's like a circle that surrounds the flagstick when you aim at it.  The size of that circle is related to the precision rating.  The higher the rating the smaller the circle.  Your ball can land anywhere in the circle on a dinged shot (left or right, long or short).  It will ALWAYS land in the circle on a ding shot, though sometimes it may land in the center of the circle and sometimes it may land on the very outer edge or anywhere in between those two points.  When it lands on the outer edge this is what you guys have come to know as "the beast".  Was the shot pre-programmed? Does it know you're standing on the 17th hole at Kiawah?  No, it's just unfortunate timing.  The result you see is the logical spread dictated by the precision rating of the club over 100 or 1,000 or 10,000 shots taken on the site.  No matter how big or small the sample it's amazingly consistent because it is after all only a simple mathematical formula.  The shot data is spread out amongst all users, so there will be times when you run into a lot of "edge cases" (aka deviations, aka outside edge of the precision circle) and times where you seemingly can't miss the center (even when you mishit).  This is the ebb and flow of the game and it's always been there.  In the short term you will have "bad" days and "good" days.  In the long term (providing they are using the same clubs) any one player will see the same amount of "edge cases" or "deviations" that the rest of the players do.

    And that's all there is to it!  The other theories can be put to bed.  There's no behind the scenes tweaking, no changing club attributes based on skill and no hidden mechanism that knows when you're on a water hole.  It's just a formula that runs exactly the same for every single shot and it has no idea (nor does it care) where you are on the course.  It doesn't matter if it's the first tee shot on #1 or the winning 10-foot putt in the USGA Virtual Championship.  The formula runs the exact same calculation every single time and you're always at risk for an "edge case".  How far away an "edge case" can take you depends solely on your precision rating for that club.  The higher the precision rating (and conversely the more lofted the iron) the less "edge cases" will take you away from where you aimed. 

    Course releases have ZERO affect on your clubs. When a course is released it's just assets, hole maps, minimaps, HD photos and stuff that has absolutely no affect on your clubs.  Us adding a JPG picture file (or 100,000 of them) does not change the way your approach shot on Kiawah #2 interacts with the green.  Each course has it's own settings and each course comes with it's own set of "surfaces".   If you go into Oakmont expecting your clubs to interact the same way they do on Kiawah then you've already made your first mistake.  Every course has it's own nuances right down to how the ball is affected by elevation and break and you'll have to figure that out with practice.  While adjusting to those nuances you may forget the nuances you learned on the older courses and get stuck in between your adjustments.  That happens to me too.  A new course comes out and suddenly I can't make a putt on Kiawah because I've spent so much time learning how to play the new breaks on Oakmont.  As a result I end up over-playing breaks on everything for a short time while I adjust.

    Hope that clears some of this confusion up.  You fellas certainly come up with some wild ideas, but it's no where near as complicated or convoluted as some of you seem to think it is.  Remember, keep it simple because it really is simple.

  • PureGro1
    1,057 Posts
    Tue, Feb 22 2022 3:41 PM

    Mythanatos:

    Like I said, if you need an excuse for poor and/or inconsistent play. 

    Its strange, I am not a gamer and thus I don't read message boards about other games.

    Is this fairly common for so many to look for outside influence on why their play is not meeting their expectations?

    Coming from a sports upbringing and background, this is the complete opposite of everything I have ever known or seen, whereas one looks at the things he/she can control.

  • ct690911
    6,784 Posts
    Tue, Feb 22 2022 4:01 PM

    PureGro1:

    Mythanatos:

    Like I said, if you need an excuse for poor and/or inconsistent play. 

    Its strange, I am not a gamer and thus I don't read message boards about other games.

    Is this fairly common for so many to look for outside influence on why their play is not meeting their expectations?

    Coming from a sports upbringing and background, this is the complete opposite of everything I have ever known or seen, whereas one looks at the things he/she can control.

    I feel the same way ^^^ and I don't have either background. 

    Anyway, this accusation has been around as long as me (10 yrs ish). I've played a lot of games in that time and never thought of it as fixed. A few wtf shots for sure. But I can generally take credit for my good shots and blame for my bad ones. 

  • pdb1
    23,351 Posts
    Wed, Feb 23 2022 1:32 AM

    PureGro1:
    Is this fairly common for so many to look for outside influence on why their play is not meeting their expectations?

    I don't think so . I don't see it here . Nor anywhere lately .

  • pdb1
    23,351 Posts
    Wed, Feb 23 2022 1:45 AM

    Tepi62Ka:

    Have to say, this game blow up my nerves!

    How it might be possible to leave putt on edge, 0.2 inc and upper side of hole. Its not be possible, in my opinion!! 2-3 times at round.

    Lol . No doubt about that one . It is definitely nerve-racking when it happens almost every hole .

    +1000

    But I still blame it on my inability to click right .

  • Yiannis1970
    2,716 Posts
    Wed, Feb 23 2022 5:17 AM

    DodgyPutter:

    I know I've copied it before but I think the post below is well worth reading carefully.

     

    If i comment this post, i will get banned...so, i will pass!!

    Cheers.

     

    :)

     

    (PS: Believe me, i have read it very carefully)

     

  • PureGro1
    1,057 Posts
    Wed, Feb 23 2022 6:21 AM

    ct690911:
    Anyway, this accusation has been around as long as me (10 yrs ish). I've played a lot of games in that time and never thought of it as fixed. A few wtf shots for sure. But I can generally take credit for my good shots and blame for my bad ones. 

    Right...I just dont have the perspective to credit myself for perfect shots and blame any deviation on something existential to myself.

     

    pdb1:

    PureGro1:
    Is this fairly common for so many to look for outside influence on why their play is not meeting their expectations?

    I don't think so . I don't see it here . Nor anywhere lately .

    If you dont see it here....

     

  • Robert1893
    7,250 Posts
    Wed, Feb 23 2022 6:40 AM

    PureGro1:
    Is this fairly common for so many to look for outside influence on why their play is not meeting their expectations?

    Actually, it reflects something that is very common in life. It's a form of attribution error.

    Individuals are prone to ascribe their own successes to internal factors (in this case. skill or ability) and failures to external factors (for example, the game caused the bad shot).

    Conversely, with respect to others (especially those in an out-group to us), individuals are prone to ascribe their successes to external factors (they got lucky or got a good bounce) and failures to internal factors (they're really not a good player).

    It happens in other areas of life as well (for example, doing well on a test or getting a promotion at work). 

    One can see this in athletes as well. Of course, it's not universally true. Additionally, in public statements, athletes are expected to take responsibility. Nevertheless, it wouldn't be that difficult to find examples of athletes who blamed their poor performances or losses on some type of externality rather than on themselves. 

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