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trying to figure out how much wind moves the ball

• coolhotfun 229 Posts

  Sat, Aug 22 2009 11:47 PM

  ok i did an actual test in regards to that original question.. and there was a 7 wind.

  7 wind in front actually went 100
  7 wind behind actually went 110

  lets check what the estimates would say it should do.
  full 9 iron 110yd, fairway to fairway,  low 4 wind wind behind went 105, 4 wind in front went 104.

  7 x 1.47 = 10.29
  105 / 251.94 = 0.417
  10.29 x 0.417= 4.29
  
  105+4.29= if the wind was behind it'd go 109.29yd
  105-4.29= if the wind was in front it'd go 100.71

  lookin pretty close to the actual.. and the estimates before were for 110 so this is real clubs. oh and it sounds like the 9 iron actually moves with wind behind, unlike that 6. hmm it'll be interesting to checkout what all the clubs do.

• coolhotfun 229 Posts

  Sun, Aug 23 2009 2:09 AM

  here's a beta wind offset chart.. lol.. i know the 6 iron with the wind at the back is snafu'd where rear wind doesnt affect it.. so this chart doesnt take that into effect.. i dunno.. try it out, like lets say for the driver, you know it goes however far with no wind and checkout what a set wind at the front or rear would add or subtract and see if it does that. Especially in high wind practice. Also.. was testing out when it was directly from the side and moving the pointer to the side what the chart would say and that was too much. So to the side its almost half less probably.. havent tried to see how much. For the green though it was seeming to go ok. Move the pointer arrow towards where the wind is blowing, by how much it says for that far and how much wind then shoot  the number the arrow says because you'll have to give extra or less according to the wind. Seems to be what the pointer number says though. Anyways, here's that starter chart and i'm sure i'll encounter snafus and bring it up later.

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  wind offset chart

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  260yd, 5mph wind = 7.59yd
  250yd, 5mph wind = 7.29yd
  240yd, 5mph wind = 7yd
  230yd, 5mph wind = 6.71yd
  220yd, 5mph wind = 6.42yd
  210yd, 5mph wind = 6.13yd
  200yd, 5mph wind = 5.83yd
  190yd, 5mph wind = 5.54yd
  180yd, 5mph wind = 5.25yd
  170yd, 5mph wind = 4.96yd
  160yd, 5mph wind = 4.67yd
  150yd, 5mph wind = 4.38yd
  140yd, 5mph wind = 4.08yd
  130yd, 5mph wind = 3.79yd
  120yd, 5mph wind = 3.50yd
  110yd, 5mph wind = 3.21yd
  100yd, 5mph wind = 2.92yd
  90yd, 5mph wind = 2.63yd
  80yd, 5mph wind = 2.33yd
  70yd, 5mph wind = 2.04yd
  60yd, 5mph wind = 1.75yd
  50yd, 5mph wind = 1.46yd
  40yd, 5mph wind = 1.17yd
  30yd, 5mph wind = 0.88yd
  20yd, 5mph wind = 0.58yd
  10yd, 5mph wind = 0.29yd

  . . . . . . . . . . . .

  260yd, 7mph wind = 10.62yd
  270yd, 7mph wind = 10.2yd
  240yd, 7mph wind = 9.8yd
  230yd, 7mph wind = 9.39yd
  220yd, 7mph wind = 8.98yd
  210yd, 7mph wind = 8.58yd
  200yd, 7mph wind = 8.16yd
  190yd, 7mph wind = 7.75yd
  180yd, 7mph wind = 7.35yd
  170yd, 7mph wind = 6.94yd
  160yd, 7mph wind = 6.53yd
  170yd, 7mph wind = 6.13yd
  140yd, 7mph wind = 5.71yd
  130yd, 7mph wind = 5.30yd
  120yd, 7mph wind = 4.9yd
  110yd, 7mph wind = 4.49yd
  100yd, 7mph wind = 4.08yd
  90yd, 7mph wind = 3.68yd
  80yd, 7mph wind = 3.26yd
  70yd, 7mph wind = 2.85yd
  60yd, 7mph wind = 2.4yd
  70yd, 7mph wind = 2.04yd
  40yd, 7mph wind = 1.63yd
  30yd, 7mph wind = 1.23yd
  20yd, 7mph wind = 0.81yd
  10yd, 7mph wind = 0.40yd

  . . . . . . . . . . . .

  260yd, 10mph wind = 15.17yd
  250yd, 10mph wind = 14.59yd
  240yd, 10mph wind = 14yd
  230yd, 10mph wind = 13.42yd
  220yd, 10mph wind = 12.84yd
  210yd, 10mph wind = 12.25yd
  200yd, 10mph wind = 11.67yd
  190yd, 10mph wind = 11.09yd
  180yd, 10mph wind = 10.5yd
  170yd, 10mph wind = 9.92yd
  160yd, 10mph wind = 9.34yd
  150yd, 10mph wind = 8.75yd
  140yd, 10mph wind = 8.17yd
  130yd, 10mph wind = 7.56yd
  120yd, 10mph wind = 7yd
  110yd, 10mph wind = 6.42yd
  100yd, 10mph wind = 5.83yd
  90yd, 10mph wind = 5.25yd
  80yd, 10mph wind = 4.67yd
  70yd, 10mph wind = 4.08yd
  60yd, 10mph wind = 3.50yd
  50yd, 10mph wind = 2.92yd
  40yd, 10mph wind = 2.33yd
  30yd, 10mph wind = 1.75yd
  20yd, 10mph wind = 1.17yd
  10yd, 10mph wind = 0.58yd

  . . . . . . . . . . . .

  260yd, 12mph wind = 18.2yd
  250yd, 12mph wind = 17.5yd
  240yd, 12mph wind = 16.8yd
  230yd, 12mph wind = 16.1yd
  220yd, 12mph wind = 15.4yd
  210yd, 12mph wind = 14.7yd
  200yd, 12mph wind = 14yd
  190yd, 12mph wind = 13.3yd
  180yd, 12mph wind = 12.6yd
  170yd, 12mph wind = 11.9yd
  160yd, 12mph wind = 11.2yd
  150yd, 12mph wind = 10.5yd
  140yd, 12mph wind = 9.8yd
  130yd, 12mph wind = 9.07yd
  120yd, 12mph wind = 8.4yd
  110yd, 12mph wind = 7.7yd
  100yd, 12mph wind = 7yd
  90yd, 12mph wind = 6.3yd
  80yd, 12mph wind = 5.6yd
  70yd, 12mph wind = 4.89yd
  60yd, 12mph wind = 4.2yd
  50yd, 12mph wind = 3.5yd
  40yd, 12mph wind = 2.79yd
  30yd, 12mph wind = 2.1yd
  20yd, 12mph wind = 1.4yd
  10yd, 12mph wind = 0.69yd

  . . . . . . . . . . . .

  260yd, 15mph wind = 22.77yd
  250yd, 15mph wind = 21.87yd
  240yd, 15mph wind = 21yd
  230yd, 15mph wind = 20.13yd
  220yd, 15mph wind = 19.26yd
  210yd, 15mph wind = 18.39yd
  200yd, 15mph wind = 17.49yd
  190yd, 15mph wind = 16.62yd
  180yd, 15mph wind = 15.75yd
  170yd, 15mph wind = 14.88yd
  160yd, 15mph wind = 14.01yd
  150yd, 15mph wind = 13.14yd
  140yd, 15mph wind = 12.24yd
  130yd, 15mph wind = 11.37yd
  120yd, 15mph wind = 10.5yd
  110yd, 15mph wind = 9.63yd
  100yd, 15mph wind = 8.76yd
  90yd, 15mph wind = 7.89yd
  80yd, 15mph wind = 6.99yd
  70yd, 15mph wind = 6.12yd
  60yd, 15mph wind = 5.25yd
  50yd, 15mph wind = 4.38yd
  40yd, 15mph wind = 3.51yd
  30yd, 15mph wind = 2.64yd
  20yd, 15mph wind = 1.74yd
  10yd, 15mph wind = 0.87yd

  . . . . . . . . . . . .

  260yd, 17mph wind = 25.78yd
  250yd, 17mph wind = 24.8yd
  240yd, 17mph wind = 23.8yd
  230yd, 17mph wind = 22.81yd
  220yd, 17mph wind = 21.82yd
  210yd, 17mph wind = 20.82yd
  200yd, 17mph wind = 19.83yd
  190yd, 17mph wind = 18.85yd
  180yd, 17mph wind = 17.85yd
  170yd, 17mph wind = 16.86yd
  160yd, 17mph wind = 15.87yd
  150yd, 17mph wind = 14.87yd
  140yd, 17mph wind = 13.88yd
  130yd, 17mph wind = 12.85yd
  120yd, 17mph wind = 11.9yd
  110yd, 17mph wind = 10.91yd
  100yd, 17mph wind = 9.91yd
  90yd, 17mph wind = 8.92yd
  80yd, 17mph wind = 7.93yd
  70yd, 17mph wind = 6.93yd
  60yd, 17mph wind = 5.95yd
  50yd, 17mph wind = 4.96yd
  40yd, 17mph wind = 3.96yd
  30yd, 17mph wind = 2.97yd
  20yd, 17mph wind = 1.98yd
  10yd, 17mph wind = 0.98yd

  . . . . . . . . . . . .

  260yd, 20mph wind = 30.34yd
  250yd, 20mph wind = 29.18yd
  240yd, 20mph wind = 28yd
  230yd, 20mph wind = 26.84yd
  220yd, 20mph wind = 25.68yd
  210yd, 20mph wind = 24.5yd
  200yd, 20mph wind = 23.34yd
  190yd, 20mph wind = 22.18yd
  180yd, 20mph wind = 21yd
  170yd, 20mph wind = 19.84yd
  160yd, 20mph wind = 18.68yd
  150yd, 20mph wind = 17.5yd
  140yd, 20mph wind = 16.34yd
  130yd, 20mph wind = 15.12yd
  120yd, 20mph wind = 14yd
  110yd, 20mph wind = 12.84yd
  100yd, 20mph wind = 11.66yd
  90yd, 20mph wind = 10.5yd
  80yd, 20mph wind = 9.34yd
  70yd, 20mph wind = 8.16yd
  60yd, 20mph wind = 7yd
  50yd, 20mph wind = 5.84yd
  40yd, 20mph wind = 4.66yd
  30yd, 20mph wind = 3.5yd
  20yd, 20mph wind = 2.34yd
  10yd, 20mph wind = 1.16yd

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• coolhotfun 229 Posts

  Tue, Aug 25 2009 9:11 PM

  well.. now that i made master, i dont need any of them charts or yardage stuff.. i'm just gonna play it all by eye. Maybe all my figuring stuff out  'll help some newbies along the way ;-)

• Pampered 6 Posts

  Wed, Nov 11 2009 6:00 PM

  A lot of effort and seemingly good work. A few things to consider though.....even in laboratory conditions a club and ball combo will result mildly differing distances. I would assume the game has a minor randomness factor built in so that no matter how perfectly you do things, your results can always vary within a few yards.

  Another thing to consider is loft and time in the air. Obviously anyone that golfs in the real world know the wind affects a low loft driver far less then a high, long 9 iron that hangs up there a while.

  One more thing to consider is that there may also be a wind randomness factor built in. Hold an anenometer up in what seems like a steady wind outside and you will see just how much variation is in it. A 10 mph wind may have low and high readings of 6 to maybe 14 roughly. I see this in my work a lot since I do outdoor weather measurements regularly. I would hazard a guess the designers have a random factor build in for this as well.

  Despite all of that, I think your chart makes a good tool to help estimate what you need to do for a good shot. I just would never expect it to perform like a swiss watch every stroke.

  Nicely done

  Pamela

• Randellpoet1 37 Posts

  Sat, Mar 20 2010 3:22 AM

  So I'm wondering when you will get busy with the trigonometry to determine angled winds. I also want to know how you got to the Master tier after a curious look at your score history. Which also made me wonder how well this math is really working for you considering your score history and present average. The lack of consideration for trigonometry (since most winds are not straight front/back) makes me wonder why I should take any of this seriously at all. Don't bother with a response because I know you are busy on Google looking up "trigonometry." lol 

• Snaike 3,678 Posts

  Sat, Mar 20 2010 9:17 AM

  Mr. Poet.... I really hope you are not expecting a response as the OP in this thread is no longer with us.  His last round of any kind was early November.

  As a matter of fact, iirc, this account was closed by WGT for violations of the TOS.  (You can check to see if an account has been deleted by searching for the name on the WGT Players page.)

  One would hope, in your search for information and answers, that you would consider perusing the current threads and let the old ones die a lonely forgotten death.

  Peace.

• AlaCowboy 1,321 Posts

  Sat, Mar 20 2010 6:40 PM

  coolhotfun:

  well.. what you got going on is this guy coming in here saying, no you shouldnt be trying to figure out whats going on with the wind. What a ***.

  Is the wind blowing parallel to the ground? If the fairway is slightly elevated the wind coming up from a lower area could literally lift the ball and add or subtract distance. Likewise, if the wind is coming over a high ridge it could be pushing the ball trajectory downward and reducing carry. Mother Nature is a b**ch.

• OaktheToke 409 Posts

  Sat, Mar 20 2010 7:19 PM

  Congrats Randell, you've earned the Fossil of the Day award.  

  

  I never understand why people dig up ancient threads and reply to them, especially those ones created in the first place by a neurotic individual.

  But hey, you did use the search function which certainly is a lot more than I can say for most.

• Randellpoet1 37 Posts

  Sun, Mar 21 2010 9:10 AM

  I wasn't necessarily looking for an answer as much as I wanted to point out that there is more to figuring out the wind than this member had considered. I did not take notice that the last game of this member was so long ago, however, there still is a profile page for them so it does not seem like they have a closed account. Thank you anyway for your information and hopefully my post will serve to help future members who wish to find some mathematical magic to figure out the wind. 

  R. Poet 

• Randellpoet1 37 Posts

  Sun, Mar 21 2010 9:24 AM

  OaktheToke:

  Congrats Randell, you've earned the Fossil of the Day award.  

  I feel so very proud. haha

  But you, yourself, must be so very proud after you took the time to create a graphic and find someone to post it for.

  Bravo!!

  Likewise, I never understand the fascination people have with pointing out such trivial male bovine ***.

  Enjoy your life,

  R. Poet