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Re: Showdowns

Mon, Jan 29 2024 11:38 AM (54 replies)
  • CrazyJoeBonano1
    115 Posts
    Wed, Aug 9 2023 9:14 PM

    Donksauce:

    Ever hear of Clash. Play some of those rounds with high winds, tournament greens and long tees and see where your average goes. Above 60 is the answer for lots of players. 

    Absolutely. And many high tier players got where they are by playing very easy club tournaments over and over again.  So they are reasonably good players who made the game much much harder by going up in tier without being as skillful as they might seem to be.

    I'm aTL that can shoot 31 or so in a clash. I'm not Young46.

    I play low coin room games because I'm working on leveling gear quickly, and it's no less unfair than a guy who gets a new phone, new avatar, and kills everyone in coin rooms by either buying good gear right away at Hack tier and level 1 or by renting decent gear and buying good balls to get the equivalent of a 400 yard drive on every tee shot. 

    It's unfair but it's built into the game. 

  • Sphinkter0
    10 Posts
    Tue, Dec 19 2023 5:08 PM

    el3n1:

    SamSpayed:

    IMHO, WGT should limit it as follows:

    Rookie:  Tour Masters and below only

    Veteran:  Tour Legends and below only

    Expert:  Open to all tiers

    the problem with this is that the labels are nothing more than WGT's use of terms that just differentiate the entry fee but really have no real relevance to the actual skill level of those entering each division. 

    Rookie will actually play more challenging than Veteran and Expert - especially when you factor in higher tier players are going to increase their chances of being matched up against a low tier player that is more likely to rage quit on them - but it is something they will risk for 10 credits but not 100 or 1000 credits.

    my only complaint is when I see a tour champ or any player possibly consistently dominating the Rookie tier - winning over and over again - but never moving up.  they are doing this while playing 1000 credit balls - they don't even care about the cheaper balls they would win because they are not balls, they are interested in.  

    My suggestion would be - WGT should impose something like a tier-based promotion system so that if someone wins a lower division X # of times then they are no longer eligible to play in the lower division.- they will have earned their promotion in essence.  just as they promote some coin room players based on their success in coin rooms without having ever reached the ranked round requirement.

    That way, tour champs that are still building their apparel and experience in coin rooms are not unfairly penalized and forced to play in higher divisions they would not be competitive in because they may even get beat by lower tier coin room specialist - but the players dominating - would not be permitted to continue doing so.  

    Given the range of skill levels at every tier - only forcibly promoting those dominating certain divisions should be forced to move up - otherwise players should play where they feel comfortable because not all tour champs play like tour champs.

     

    They can afford 10 cents but not a dollar?

     

  • Sphinkter0
    10 Posts
    Tue, Dec 19 2023 5:16 PM

    LuckySkreet:

    Well....it's been a while in the forums for me....    This being said, let me roll this one by you.    These "competition levels" are a joke.....always have been.  Why would one think they would have a better chance of winning if tiers were limited?    Do you actually think this would allow you to have a better chance of winning against a 105 TM, sporting the finest clubs, 1500 cred balls, hopped up on the "WGT apparel steroids", playing from the ladies tees?    C'mon now....   LMAO.......

    I say if you win 2 times in Rookie, you move up to Veteran. There are TC's in Rookie that have 17 plus wins. That is ridiculous.

  • MioKontic
    4,610 Posts
    Thu, Dec 21 2023 1:10 AM

    Sphinkter0:
    I say if you win 2 times in Rookie, you move up to Veteran. There are TC's in Rookie that have 17 plus wins. That is ridiculous.

    Yeah, that's right.  And Jack Nicklaus should not have been allowed to play any more majors once he got 2 wins as it wasn't fair on all those other crap players who just weren't good enough to beat him if he played.

  • EchoUK
    51 Posts
    Thu, Dec 21 2023 9:50 AM

    This is a typical response from someone from your teir. 

    People play this game to relax and enjoy and aren't professionals. 

     

    Yeah, that's right.  And Jack Nicholas should not have been allowed to play any more majors once he got 2 wins as it wasn't fair on all those other crap players who just weren't good enough to beat him if he played.

    So by your comment those who voice their opinion and say that higher level players shouldn't be allowed to play in such a low level tournament are "Crap" ask yourself this ...

     

    Why do such high level players feel the need to join the lowest level tournament? Is it because they know they can't compete in the higher level tournaments, or are they just stroking their egos? 

    I think MicKrontic has a valid point by saying maybe there should be a limit as to how many times you can win the lowest level tournament before you're automatically advanced to the next level tournament, after all WGT already does this with the player level advancement ie hack Pro master tour naster etc. etc

  • MioKontic
    4,610 Posts
    Fri, Dec 22 2023 5:23 PM

    EchoUK:
    I think MicKrontic has a valid point by saying maybe there should be a limit as to how many times you can win the lowest level tournament before you're automatically advanced to the next level tournament, after all WGT already does this with the player level advancement ie hack Pro master tour naster etc. etc

    Firstly, get my name right!  Secondly, I didn't say that at all, the person I replied to said it!  I have no problem in anyone voicing their opinion, and likewise I voiced mine.  I was merely making an analogy, and a pretty good one I think.  You are also wrong about not being 'professionals', some of the top players in this game could indeed be classed as 'professionals' within this game.

    What you fail to realise is that the different categories in the showdowns aren't linked, they are separate tournaments, and every player can choose which category they wish to enter depending on how much they want to spend (10cr, 100cr, or 1000cr), and the potential return.  There are many Tour Champions, Champions and Tour Legends who play in the Rookie category, but similarly there are Masters and Tour Pros, and possibly even lower tiers, who play in the Veteran category.

  • ryry4321
    45 Posts
    Thu, Jan 4 2024 8:36 PM

    Yeah but most tms I see don't have first place in the rookie division, I'm a legend with a good score history and average and it is almost impossible for me to stay in first, right now I am in the second place in the New Year's showdown at -14 of course there is three other people that are still playing and they've only played nine holes so far they are -10 and two of them are -9, and like I said they've only played nine so far... All 3 are over a level 170 TCs with averages of 51 or lower. It's honestly disgusting lol 

  • Probox
    7 Posts
    Sun, Jan 7 2024 11:00 AM

    Same as in coin games, I play RIO as a Master and I almost always get Legends and above, but I think it's fair,, I beat them sometimes. 

  • dragonmouse
    26 Posts
    Mon, Jan 22 2024 4:01 PM

    I have read this discussion fully, and while I understand both sides, here is a fact.  In the ongoing current ski showdown the top 6 leaders on the board in the rookie section are tour legends, with one legend thrown in.  My own play cannot begin to touch their scores, and that is fine as I never spent a dime at wgt,  Never have, never will.  Money buys top end gear, money buys top end balls, etc.  So without spending money I don't have a chance right? Wrong.... I still beat them every day one or three hole coin games. 

      BUT, and herein lies the real issue for me, My credit acct rolls around 6/700 on avg from video's  That won't even buy a box of medium balls let alone upgrades on clubs.  I am not sure why I am even a TM (something with coin games), but experience tells me that if I just keep plugging, I will hit a decent streak and get in the money for a tourney eventually. The frustration is I hit a good streak and and shoot 5 or 6 under only to find those who can spend money for decent equipment (and skilled/lucky) are 10 to 15 under. As above legend and above usually.

    Ego?  no I don't think so. With their gear and exp. they SHOULD shoot better than me. Taking advantage of lower players simply to up their gear or whatever, absolutely. Other reasons for which I have no clue?  Truth is I really don't care as this is a game to waste time or an outlet for those who may not be able to play in real life for whatever reason. Still if wgt chooses to breakdown the SD by rookie vet etc. for how many credits it takes to enter,  should there not then be a distinction for who can play in each level? There is. It's called how much money do I want to provide to a company for digital gear/level.  However are their credits worth less than my own? No.

      Having said all of that why not simply combine all the pot for all three categories for 10 cred and throw the tourney open to all with a larger say top 100 or so usably decent prize pool.  For me I might stand a chance of a good run into some kind of return, will use my precious creds for a chance at a return on investment. As it is the return is not worth even 10 creds as there is no chance of being into any real money when having to compete at a level that I may never reach.  Of course wgt wouldn't do that as there would be no one spending 1k credits, every few weeks.

     Complaining is silly, wgt simply doesn't care about anything except the bottom line.  Fair doesn't even enter into the results. I still play when I can win/lose and no TL TC or any other can play me without the chance of getting beaten by me on any given day.  The only difference I see is that I did it with my earned (through play or time watching vids) lesser gear/exp, and never spent a dime.  My free game beats your paid one hands down. My cc only has one player, me.  I have a few friends that I visit with and play a round from time to time and that is worth more than all the creds/coins/gear in the game. It does have value even if the people who run it are simply greedy/stupid. My opinion and entitled to it.

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