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• pmm711 5,168 Posts

  Sat, May 21 2022 10:35 PM

  pdb1:

  pmm711:

  SimonTheBeetle:

  I guess everybody's thinking + or - the same. If it's the general consensus, I don't see why the showdown event even has to be a match-play format. :-/ 

  Simon, I think it's because of the "buy-in" feature and the fact that you have to post coins to play.  Currently the only coin play is match play.  That has to be the answer.

  Maybe Paul . But I would think we all would buy in just the same to play a solo qualifying round .

  My point is that I don't think WGT programmed the coin rooms for individual/solo play and modifying that may be a bit tedious for them.  I'm sure you understand what I'm saying.  They'd probably have to hook us up with a "dummy" opponent who would gracefully bow out before the first swing...idk.  The fact that the showdowns are coin room matches keeps us playing vs. an opponent.

• beerstine 466 Posts

  Sun, May 22 2022 12:08 AM

  I'm sure the showdowns were designed to engage the mobile players, which is why the coin format is used and coin games are more or less a form of match play with the added element of a little bit of betting.  It's always seemed odd that stroke play scoring takes precedence over the matchup.

  Match play scoring could add a bit of drama to the early rounds if better players couldn't just coast in knowing they're above the cutline, and had to take some chances to win matches to advance.  

  However, it wouldn't solve the problem of mismatches between higher and lower tier players leading to forfeits and cheap wins skewing the results.  I had a match against a level 18 Hack that I would have gladly forfeited in the last round, but couldn't for sake of the score.

   

• pdb1 24,739 Posts

  Sun, May 22 2022 9:48 AM

  beerstine:

  I'm sure the showdowns were designed to engage the mobile players,

  Yes but the design also negates the interplay .

  If all players completed their rounds . And there were no glitches and errors . The current ( coin play tournament mode Showdowns ) . Would almost work .

  beerstine:

   It's always seemed odd that stroke play scoring takes precedence over the matchup.

  Yes puzzling . Making it necessary to play all holes for the round to complete proper .

  beerstine:

  However, it wouldn't solve the problem of mismatches between higher and lower tier players

  That's true . Although the original intent of the random green speeds was to create a parity there . To some extent it does help in that regard . Not enough foresight went into that decision . As is now painfully obvious .

  beerstine:

   I had a match against a level 18 Hack that I would have gladly forfeited in the last round, but couldn't for sake of the score.

  Therein lies the difference from the real match play format .

• pdb1 24,739 Posts

  Sun, May 22 2022 10:01 AM

  They alrerady are able to create single player stroke play . And also Stroke Play MP rounds in which as opponents drop out . The round continues through to a single player completing the round .

  In the Showdowns they have implemented that ability to complete the round when the other player drops out .

  Maybe they should consider implementing that in general coin play as well ?

  It doesn't seem that far fetched to me to modify what they know . To make a coin play tournament mode suited to the game play and the score .

  One other aspect that they may have to consider is activating , implementing , the wins / losses . Making that relevant . The tally is already recorded . It is private and not considered . Maybe improve the way the W's ? L's signify a players status . 

  Since the tiering is so wide open and seemingly not structured . They need something that could help with that .

• PrimerLance 12 Posts

  Mon, May 23 2022 10:46 PM

  pdb1:

  RonCarr:

  Single player rounds would be tuff for many with the shot clock. At least playing with somebody you have a breather moment between shots. I would believe many would not play under that format. 

  Ron it's no thing at all . In my Showdown rounds . For some reason 50 % of my opponents forfeit before the 1st hole . So that's quite a few . Allowing me to play 3 stress free holes solo . It is quite nice . The transition between holes is plenty of a break .

   

  Time between holes is immaterial.  The 45-second clock is, in effect, extended by the presence of an opponent, which allows for calculating and/or thinking about the next shot during the opponent's turn.  An opponent quitting robs one of time.

• pdb1 24,739 Posts

  Sun, May 29 2022 3:41 PM

  PrimerLance:

  Time between holes is immaterial.  The 45-second clock is, in effect, extended by the presence of an opponent, which allows for calculating and/or thinking about the next shot during the opponent's turn.  An opponent quitting robs one of time.

  Not everyone feels that way .Like myself having played many thousands of solo rounds . 

  And like I said above , In the Showdowns many players quit before the tee or on any hole . So far in the RUSH . There have been 4 of them . I played solo and felt no time pressure .

  Have never used anytime during an opponents shot to calculate my next shot . There is no point in it . You don't know the elevation so you can't pick out a club . It is designed that way . So you don't see the specifics of the opponents shot .

  Using the time to chat . Or look away from the game to say something to someone . Run and grab a beer .Etc .

  Without an opponent you have less time to do that . But nothing is being robbed from you .

  Therefore , normal play is playing consecutive shots . With no distinction if it is a 45 second clock or no clock .

  As is also evident in the CLASHES . Where one typically can triple your speed on your shot . And comfortly play your next shot . Easily play 3 shots per minute .

  It has been 4 years since I enjoyed those CLASHES . I kinda miss them .