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• rdaniell 22 Posts

  Sat, Mar 13 2021 9:23 AM

  can someone explain how one can reach master tier  at level 90+ and have a scoring avg of 150 but beat me like a drum in the coin rooms with me at scoring avg of 67?  I understand how the scoring avg is calculated but you have to play ranked rounds to move up tier. right?

• Robert1893 7,287 Posts

  Sat, Mar 13 2021 2:50 PM

  WGT has a separate set of criteria (based in part on levels) to tier players up who play only coin games. I once saw a Tour Champion with only 6 ranked rounds. 
  
  What all the criteria are and how they are related to tiering up coin players, no one (outside of WGT) knows.  
  
  Bottom line is that, for coin players, average is totally irrelevant and not indicative of player's ability at all.  

• rdaniell 22 Posts

  Sat, Mar 13 2021 3:21 PM

  thanks, that's kind of what I thought.  

• alosso 20,918 Posts

  Sun, Mar 14 2021 1:41 AM

  Robert1893:

  a Tour Champion with only 6 ranked rounds

  They exist!
  Going further, the 150 avg. mentioned above points to "no ranked rounds at all".

• Rooster2821 102 Posts

  Sun, Mar 14 2021 3:07 AM

  WGT still can't get control of the cheating in here, sad.

• pdb1 24,709 Posts

  Sun, May 23 2021 11:33 AM

  Robert1893:

  WGT has a separate set of criteria (based in part on levels) to tier players up who play only coin games. I once saw a Tour Champion with only 6 ranked rounds. 
  
  What all the criteria are and how they are related to tiering up coin players, no one (outside of WGT) knows.  
  
  Bottom line is that, for coin players, average is totally irrelevant and not indicative of player's ability at all.  

    Yeah . So basically . Coin game count for Coin game players who play it exclusively . But not for anyone else .

    Even if that were true . They got it wrong . There is no parity .

    But since now they are expected to play our game . Since the inception of PCEA .

    Averages and tiers are quickly becoming relevant . As is equipment .

    And since we wrote the book . We have senority . We outnumber them .

    The sooner they learn about ranked rounds . And all the other protocols that were supposedly irrelevant .

    The sooner the disparity will get sorted out .

• SamSpayed 4,427 Posts

  Tue, May 25 2021 2:07 PM

  pdb1:

  So basically . Coin game count for Coin game players who play it exclusively . But not for anyone else .

  I think they count for everyone.  

  I know of at least one player who plays both coin games and ranked rounds.  He was promoted to Champion after only 60-something ranked rounds at TL.  So his performance in coin games was obviously the primary factor in his being promoted, but it was not the only factor.

• pdb1 24,709 Posts

  Wed, May 26 2021 5:38 PM

  SamSpayed:

  pdb1:

  So basically . Coin game count for Coin game players who play it exclusively . But not for anyone else .

  I think they count for everyone.  

  I know of at least one player who plays both coin games and ranked rounds.  He was promoted to Champion after only 60-something ranked rounds at TL.  So his performance in coin games was obviously the primary factor in his being promoted, but it was not the only factor.

  No. Sam. The coin games do not count for anything at all.Period.  

  I have been playing the coin games for a couple years now probably nearly a couple thousand of them. And they have no bearing on any feature or statistic of an individual.

  When I said above that I thought that they may just count the wins and the coins that are exchanged. Because somehow they have to know where to place all these coin players in their bronze silver gold platinum and diamond groups. And then for other purposes they would then keep track of the amount of coins that are being exchanged.

  I have been having to screenshot almost every aspect of each coin game that I play because of several glitches that are caused when the opponent quits. For instance I would get the forfeit and the loss of coins is a common scenario

  That is how I know why they need to know the name of the coin room and the date and time. Because they can then review the activity during that time and pinpoint my round. To show them that the data that I presented to them was valid. So I then get a return on my coins.

  But other than that those rounds are deleted when they end of any statistics whatsoever.

  As far as players go. The only value they really have are the coins. Which as you know are not worth anything.

• pdb1 24,709 Posts

  Wed, May 26 2021 8:30 PM

  SamSpayed:

  I know of at least one player who plays both coin games and ranked rounds.  He was promoted to Champion after only 60-something ranked rounds at TL.  So his performance in coin games was obviously the primary factor in his being promoted, but it was not the only factor.

    Sam . I have to at least say that you are on to something . We do not know by what basis or means WGT decides when and how to determine . The original exclusively coin playing . Mostly all Mobile players . Are to tier up . The how , when and why .

    No statistics are used or saved on the players statistic record in those rounds .

    This just doesn't make any sense .

  rdaniell:

  can someone explain how one can reach master tier  at level 90+ and have a scoring avg of 150 but beat me like a drum in the coin rooms with me at scoring avg of 67?  I understand how the scoring avg is calculated but you have to play ranked rounds to move up tier. right?

    Robert says :

  Robert1893:

  WGT has a separate set of criteria (based in part on levels) to tier players up who play only coin games. I once saw a Tour Champion with only 6 ranked rounds. 
  
  What all the criteria are and how they are related to tiering up coin players, no one (outside of WGT) knows.  
  
  Bottom line is that, for coin players, average is totally irrelevant and not indicative of player's ability at all.  

    Which could be true .

    With an emphasis on " exclusively playing coin games . "

    Which at this point and for the last over 2 years . Is not a likely possibility . With as many PC players playing in the coin rooms .

    Not to mention that Mobile players have been able to play RANKED ROUNDS . Since the beginning nearly a decade ago . Many have played both all along . Tiering up the proper way . With no regards to coins . There can't be any regards to coins if they are playing ranked rounds .

    WGT may have a way to distinguish the exclusive coin players . Which I highly doubt . What happens when that player plays 1 or 10 or 100 ranked rounds . All exclusive coin calculations go up in smoke .

    I think they do bong hits and roll the dice one day . Do paper scissors rock the next day . Coin tosses on the third day . To determine how they tier up .