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NOT FROM THE SHORT LIST

• pdb1 24,714 Posts

  Tue, Aug 25 2020 11:39 AM

    It seems like for forever I have been referring to " the short lists " . I can see from the short lists that there is a lot of this or that . But to make the long list just seems impossible .

    One of those lists I have been reluctant to tackle . Is a list of my old CC mates from VOTSCC . I can't make them all trophies . ( i already have ) . But I would love to thank them . For being part of the funnest and most rewarding group and adventures I have experienced here in WGT . And a highlight of my life . It was that good . You would have to have been there .

    I figured out how to do that . And it is one of the long lists . For sure . This list will also include many acquaintances , friends , CC owners , multiplayer mates , etc .

    But mostly 90 % are VOTSCCers . I never counted them before . I still haven't . But I have always said if we had kept them all . We could have made 2 full CC's . That turns out to be true .

    Here is a list of 780 with all of the above . With over 500 ex VOTSCCers .

  1. 68wolfman
  2. 2366
  3. 1aceinthehole4
  4. 111joey
  5. 1HappyGilmore69
  6. 11Benzknee11
  7. 1313putter
  8. 1AWARD78
  9. 1963Corvette
  10. 777999
  11. 19cltc67
  12. 99Chief
  13. 2puttTBOA
  14. 2questions
  15. azdewars
  16. ArnieFinlay
  17. AggieHockey57
  18. arizona4boingo
  19. andrax35
  20. ACov10
  21. anywere
  22. artson
  23. asdfzxc
  24. Allisonmary14
  25. AyupMeDucks
  26. Aztek19
  27. allred549
  28. acetate
  29. armchairalien
  30. Adamaca
  31. ascott59
  32. allanofca
  33. AzLodhi
  34. Ali513
  35. alanti
  36. ayenys
  37. Allanfb
  38. amber65
  39. arnoild
  40. ajpatruzzi
  41. AlaskanDame
  42. ajpatruzzi
  43. Alianna
  44. antoinettemaree
  45. AceForester117
  46. alosso
  47. adaputter
  48. AlexBorgesjr
  49. andwhy67
  50. ander101
  51. AgentBrown123
  52. accuate
  53. ashbylad
  54. ArgyleScott
  55. Afternoonripple
  56. AlejBaran
  57. BogeyOne
  58. BillShaefer
  59. BigGunzRob
  60. bostonbadboy77
  61. Buddha248
  62. Beantown21
  63. bruce1308
  64. Bigmikec099
  65. BajaBoggs
  66. butch5960
  67. BuffaloForest
  68. Ber3n
  69. brady2008
  70. bigjoe81
  71. BAshley11
  72. Bluedademon
  73. Bertasion
  74. blitz81
  75. BushwackerPete
  76. Berryblue
  77. bigshotphil
  78. BobApollo
  79. bronco11111
  80. BeepBeepFatAzz
  81. bizarro71
  82. BBecker1
  83. Bradass0
  84. badasseeb
  85. Brad44l
  86. badlose
  87. Bluesteelie
  88. Bigdawg105
  89. Bendeswede
  90. bogieman05
  91. BigAl1957
  92. br1an
  93. BGB666
  94. BlackHeart711
  95. boeling
  96. Bunks13
  97. billyhuck
  98. Bowl64
  99. bobajiro
  100. blondesquirrel
  101. Budster1
  102. Bull536
  103. BMX1
  104. blam00
  105. bossbird
  106. Belle2712
  107. brejna
  108. Badputter01
  109. BillyHighbeams
  110. Baldace     
  111. Butchbbay
  112. bigcountry317
  113. biggunky
  114. BogeyOne
  115. Bowl64
  116. BirdieLady9
  117. BogeyMan310
  118. Brad44l
  119. bushwacker131
  120. Chris1973M
  121. Charles1553N
  122. CJL73
  123. Chipn2
  124. CatOfNine
  125. calvin86
  126. clucktrentsuperd  
  127. cbbcrazy
  128. Chris5150
  129. cmsbobhall
  130. cowboy7519
  131. coolsenior
  132. CanineSupervisor
  133. cbmeise
  134. CTrusso
  135. crowwe
  136. cardkleener
  137. captain003
  138. coophunt
  139. cdngolfhack
  140. CRTowr
  141. CoryGRobinson
  142. courteneyfish
  143. CTOCMRet
  144. ct690911
  145. conveyorguy
  146. cdefghi
  147. chrispg1978
  148. CEverett12
  149. cookie1023
  150. charliesp
  151. COBRARED
  152. craigswan
  153. cthamos71
  154. ChrisMad
  155. ckingy2929
  156. CaligatorWayne
  157. ChuckD8
  158. ClayHop
  159. CptSpaulding007
  160. Conns9
  161. Conner0133
  162. cougarclaw
  163. callaghan159
  164. Cherry3379
  165. curtis558
  166. Cconboy23
  167. chookie15
  168. craigmcdomald
  169. Cecilsnyman
  170. ColumbusStorm
  171. Cuber
  172. crd056398
  173. coors71
  174. Cecilsnyman
  175. Cullo5
  176. chrisironsbones
  177. DufferJohn7
  178. dirtyDick333
  179. DrBob234
  180. darwood67
  181. DreadBone
  182. derjohvan
  183. Drewmon
  184. dryspot
  185. dreamduff
  186. davyhogg
  187. duda51
  188. donwal
  189. dmalt13
  190. DanLederman
  191. DaddysKat
  192. deserthawk7
  193. dj79aj75
  194. danzibar
  195. dschom5
  196. dmavity
  197. djuser
  198. DAputts
  199. Dontknowyet
  200. DarrellGingles
  201. David2Flop
  202. davefuller1
  203. diamondNtherough
  204. Durboni59
  205. donnymac3
  206. Dude878
  207. deadfreight
  208. Dantheman55
  209. Davemuck63
  210. Dosser53     
  211. doveruk
  212. DirtyDuffer
  213. DivatDown
  214. daja1012
  215. DayDay90
  216. DBuckley514
  217. dadybignutz
  218. dell72
  219. Daridan
  220. douglasfir11
  221. DonaldKey8798
  222. DonCaron
  223. dsull15
  224. Dabba11
  225. Dany1093
  226. Dadedave
  227. dekronk
  228. DodgyPutter
  229. daveparr
  230. Dneirf
  231. DoctorLarry
  232. dedBuNNy
  233. doggydog501
  234. dbredfox57
  235. douggongles
  236. duggles1942
  237. dpd26
  238. drumsticks53
  239. Darrell3210
  240. driver431
  241. danno1310
  242. EWilliams63
  243. EnglishRosey
  244. EagleRod
  245. ESchaffer
  246. Edgey54321
  247. EasyEdward   
  248. Eleanorhamm
  249. exotic1
  250. esssy
  251. el3n1
  252. eggiesworld
  253. ebraffa
  254. Eddies8317
  255. EddieJHunter
  256. EK2019
  257. fravel
  258. fredh528
  259. frost1957
  260. firlifanz
  261. fishrdav
  262. FairwayJLA
  263. fonde
  264. flaps51
  265. fitzroy1965
  266. Flutie04
  267. fadduh
  268. frankmclaughlin
  269. fairyqueen
  270. Fossilboy
  271. fightingtigers
  272. felimac
  273. Foooze
  274. Faasda01
  275. FTEWAY
  276. fmagnets
  277. ForArt
  278. fatdan
  279. Fenixcats
  280. Fisherbird
  281. fitzroy1965
  282. Flatearth777
  283. FlowieNL
  284. Guncandi
  285. GuyKevin
  286. groundsage
  287. golfernutski
  288. genesis123
  289. Gagging63
  290. Guusgolftour
  291. Grzybek123
  292. grahwill
  293. gpajeff
  294. gamer58
  295. gilles67
  296. greenmanfromg
  297. gru1971
  298. gormel02
  299. Guru069
  300. golfarf
  301. gonfission
  302. GBPiano
  303. GregHodges
  304. Guidonikita2
  305. goldenbear126
  306. Geeps1
  307. GuntDustafson
  308. gr8flbob
  309. Golfschuh
  310. gk0917     
  311. goldeena
  312. gdforre
  313. GabyGolfGirl
  314. garypinhunter
  315. golferforlife30
  316. garyk49
  317. Guffer09
  318. garylewisgr
  319. Goodwilly
  320. golferz90
  321. goshov
  322. hoghunter4974
  323. homeroid
  324. HitTheStickMOUSA
  325. harry4364
  326. HenryKawa
  327. Howcho
  328. HillmanCoyotee
  329. Heidi888
  330. HittyHard
  331. hpurey
  332. HDowell
  333. Hoofmechanic
  334. hass88
  335. iksweleimhc1
  336. iouafish
  337. lrm47
  338. iwanthelp
  339. ironeagle65807
  340. irisheyez5
  341. IceMonkey1956
  342. ItsTooSweet
  343. liam91
  344. lvietri
  345. J2FFY
  346. JPelc2
  347. JimQ916
  348. jadendeeogee
  349. josiewagner
  350. jabedmc
  351. jimmyray50
  352. johnnyo1
  353. jb6000
  354. joe1760
  355. jgolfer1
  356. jasongarner1995
  357. johnnycartero
  358. JDShoemaker
  359. jdmavity
  360. jdm722
  361. jwman92
  362. jaysiddall1981
  363. joncylee49
  364. Jaker1971
  365. Jtcooki
  366. JingleGravyJr
  367. jktgolfer
  368. jevry
  369. jacko1972
  370. jkmartin
  371. jcm51
  372. jakelindberg
  373. jacktrade51
  374. jm900king
  375. Jarhead2LT  
  376. JimbeauC
  377. jimshaw39
  378. JockJockson
  379. jpfromuk
  380. JasCooper
  381. JoePerry
  382. joeyJBoyle
  383. JCPalo
  384. jollyjumper00
  385. JWhatley6
  386. julio1235
  387. jetrep7
  388. Jonboy191
  389. josh06423
  390. Jasongrizzle
  391. JaklarSibio
  392. jonny88
  393. JDGHOST
  394. Karwelis
  395. kishoph
  396. Kngt
  397. kelonio
  398. kekanaranjo
  399. Krietlow
  400. kmamjmemedmmm
  401. KellyGreer
  402. kenelope
  403. kevinthedick
  404. keasden
  405. Kayla25
  406. kozzie1986
  407. Kittykat2017
  408. Kalizky2017
  409. Kev0718
  410. K7JBQ     
  411. kavvz
  412. Kalliste
  413. KLOSTER1
  414. KirkOut23
  415. kev2win
  416. KennyPerry
  417. Kosberg
  418. LordGarth
  419. ladymozzy
  420. ladygolfer4u
  421. lionkingcamron
  422. LauraMatthers
  423. Lute345
  424. littlejohn61
  425. Leggoman13
  426. lifehacker0
  427. ladyfromdallas
  428. logan1302
  429. Ladyshewolf0
  430. LillaSzak
  431. LONGDRVSTR8PUTTS
  432. len23
  433. lipout71
  434. Ladychipper
  435. livingoutadream
  436. LEDzZzEPP
  437. Leftfturn
  438. laupyeldaw
  439. lipman50
  440. louisgosset
  441. michaelream
  442. mattprice7878
  443. MShort10
  444. MrWalls
  445. Mushy01
  446. mrpro1
  447. mike59usa
  448. MisMarg
  449. Mechbook7
  450. Metelz
  451. madio1
  452. MAX5545
  453. muzzicman1
  454. MGroza
  455. mwh65
  456. MGERAETS
  457. mstjp
  458. markkkkkkkk
  459. md21
  460. MikeDeck51
  461. MickAnderson
  462. Michaelg2424
  463. MarkWoods123456
  464. MStubblefield
  465. marcus227
  466. mcbeaven
  467. mrgain
  468. Marilean
  469. MuthaPutter
  470. Mikeloresse
  471. maoriand1
  472. MelissaNJohnson
  473. M0nsterMutt416
  474. Mca19670
  475. MarkArentsen175
  476. MistressCosette
  477. Mario1800
  478. marc1600
  479. Mcdad90
  480. mrcaddie
  481. macmanred
  482. micamills
  483. marksusie
  484. mngoose33
  485. Mandlebrot
  486. MurraySpackler
  487. marco5473
  488. Matthew101583
  489. mitimiti51
  490. matthawk3883
  491. Mythanatos
  492. mystry78
  493. MarchieB
  494. MainzMan
  495. MBaggese
  496. mkg335
  497. mantis0014
  498. MGB01
  499. MAROUFI
  500. Mrdl
  501. mkg335
  502. Mox360
  503. MARCJR35
  504. miska990
  505. Matrix3381
  506. NCBookie63
  507. numouni1
  508. NowWatchDisDrive
  509. nanstar     
  510. nitramgoht
  511. NorthumbeWarrior
  512. Noah5Pierce  
  513. NoFuneral
  514. NKinsella
  515. Next260
  516. nansting17
  517. Nuts4Putting
  518. northernpainter
  519. numbnut01
  520. NAUGHTYBINATURE
  521. nealgolf
  522. NakedGall
  523. NRCoyote
  524. octodesigner
  525. ongelooflijk
  526. organlad
  527. OrsoBianco65
  528. OEFARMYVET
  529. ozzieplayer
  530. onw4x
  531. OneBigGoof
  532. Ozbassplayer
  533. overtheedge
  534. ostfriedel
  535. oneeyedjohn
  536. pedrito96
  537. paulleftypaul
  538. pitviper2
  539. player7154
  540. psdenton
  541. prynn
  542. pitchwell
  543. pepsieric1963
  544. petervcpt
  545. Priesum
  546. Philthy420
  547. PaulMercier
  548. PaulTon
  549. Paul2Sharktown
  550. pjf21
  551. PeteGherardini
  552. pmm711
  553. patriciawilliams
  554. poppopjoe
  555. pokey51
  556. phill66lava
  557. PeterPro53
  558. PerfectSinn
  559. PhilEStein
  560. PRIESTESS
  561. PAULFINN52
  562. phred952
  563. pipala
  564. PWoodhouse3
  565. PomDoes0
  566. quadrock123
  567. quakerdarlo
  568. Qputts
  569. renniw52
  570. RobMus79
  571. robmurphy4
  572. rickglen59
  573. rodelcool
  574. ros8801
  575. RichardCrainium1
  576. RWillard
  577. rooter69
  578. renejohansen
  579. rwm8634
  580. RichKCL
  581. red4435
  582. reagansmall
  583. rc7crownroyal
  584. Racinray75
  585. rtdnation73
  586. RSloan5
  587. Ratwos
  588. roddy1234
  589. rmmiller
  590. rickglen59
  591. reddevil16
  592. Robert1893
  593. rt9881956
  594. Rau1pasuma
  595. ROBERT744
  596. rexxer
  597. Raflon79
  598. Russ737
  599. RicRitenour
  600. robsalascr
  601. RoryMcilroy216
  602. rayzor46
  603. RyanAnthonyR
  604. RODDMANN
  605. RonLunk
  606. RobinStarnes
  607. RangerTom
  608. RyjaTybas
  609. rabbit1ear     
  610. RJYHGHA
  611. rfgraham1
  612. Rictaferd21
  613. RGBj77
  614. Refugee76
  615. rbpmry
  616. RUSAVED
  617. RoggRR
  618. reddog1965
  619. Ricrac007
  620. Slash69
  621. satoko
  622. scotteriv
  623. ScottHope
  624. Sindee
  625. streetjumper
  626. Sandy2Shoes
  627. SocoChilled
  628. stephentaylorpne   
  629. SCotthOrnBacHer
  630. sugahsweet
  631. Steven1163
  632. Sleventween
  633. Sage013
  634. Skip380
  635. SMarlowe1
  636. stonehenge1122
  637. Smok3y22
  638. SLAMMINJAMES
  639. spanishomlette
  640. Sewbug
  641. seatackstephen
  642. sueomeara
  643. shortstop
  644. sdorr
  645. SirLordSnoopy
  646. Speakgeek
  647. Suze37
  648. Sportsoddio
  649. stupiddawg
  650. Sandy871
  651. SChoitz
  652. SandyBurgess
  653. ShooterCannon
  654. shedboy73
  655. Shawnskey
  656. SeeRizz
  657. SweetPoppy
  658. Sleevedupbih
  659. spazzy3
  660. Shnig19
  661. Stevieg314
  662. sharmansp1
  663. ShivaNC
  664. scottlroot
  665. SCOTTISHxPRIDE
  666. simonscott1
  667. SavannaMarie0
  668. SECTION9
  669. SidersBest
  670. Senga20
  671. shampeee
  672. SimonTheBeetle
  673. Shedlite
  674. spaceghost88
  675. SlicedPepper
  676. shovlovin
  677. SKrietz
  678. SamSpayed
  679. sexysuzie
  680. sixwheeler44
  681. Stevewinslade
  682. SteveOx
  683. scoobywagoner
  684. shampeee
  685. steved1951
  686. tiggermag
  687. tubbytubb
  688. toshioszilla
  689. tadapra
  690. tujay
  691. TIGERWHO51
  692. Tupper33
  693. Tigerwids
  694. TinysTeeShot
  695. Trevor45510
  696. tuxedo2
  697. tjune2016
  698. tokindude
  699. ToniFeira
  700. thetazz101
  701. TjW11
  702. thewonderstuff
  703. tonyb1226
  704. TwinDaddy129
  705. Textor
  706. tiger2355
  707. TONY0210
  708. TheRockett
  709. TheClogWog     
  710. TWOMINUSONE
  711. TonyHarris31965
  712. TheGorySkeleton
  713. Tokker1973
  714. tred46
  715. thestevster
  716. TuckerPrestonJr
  717. TinCup2410
  718. TALKPLAYWITHME37
  719. tseeqhim
  720. Trinbagoboy
  721. thegoosebag
  722. txzdave
  723. thesupernova
  724. TopShelf2010
  725. TheTripper
  726. Tx21
  727. thetazz101
  728. txgma15
  729. UZiBerlin
  730. URs2Play
  731. UncleJed
  732. Upandatem
  733. VVV73
  734. Vonpimpious
  735. vitacuraGG
  736. voltage7777
  737. VanMeerV
  738. VicoZuno
  739. VEM9000
  740. WGTElectro
  741. WGTdbloshoe
  742. WGTChampion
  743. WGTicon
  744. wishman51
  745. woodgolfdog
  746. Weathernut7
  747. Weightfourme
  748. Weeducation
  749. webbjoseph
  750. whank   
  751. Widowsbite
  752. White21073
  753. WinterHawk1951
  754. WhiskeyRenegade
  755. worshipmyfeet
  756. Wutpa
  757. Woody6793
  758. wmkyle
  759. Woodoworkery
  760. WaLk0fLiFe
  761. wleiss
  762. woogster
  763. xxblueeyesxx
  764. Xpyburnt
  765. xMarxdspot
  766. xdout
  767. XxLadyHawkxX
  768. yodsir
  769. YEOLDJOE  
  770. YancyCan
  771. ycfc1992
  772. Yodamonster
  773. Young46
  774. Yiannis1970
  775. ZombieCrocodile
  776. zlazingger
  777. zzguffer0
  778. BobbyWiser , UFCJohny      2 IN 1
  779. harrymunk , harryasbo , harryskunk , harrygoldenballs   4 in 1
  780. CrustyDemon1 , KookyKanadianGal , ValleyGirl1994 , KotysKelly    4 in 1
  781. crazycarla9 , OzGirl , PrincessHook    3 in 1
  782. SuperKanga , bandon10    2 in 1 

    This list is not even close to all of the acquaintances ,friends , CC owners , multiplayer mates , I have had the pleasure of meeting here in WGT . I don't plan on making that list . 

    But it is the most complete list of VOTSCCers I can come up with .There are even more than this list shows . As there were dozens more that I never shared a message with . I have no record of them . As when they closed the CC . With it went an astounding amount of information . That is gone forever . All good on that . Ancient history .

    Sincerely though . To all my old VOTSCCers . Thank you for all the GR8 times we had . Brief or long . Through all of the intense events ,

  Challonge embedded brackets for a year . ( lost that link will have to recreate it ),

  VOTSCC vs CC ,

  WGT CLASHes ,

  in CC tournaments and competions ,

  Desert Blitz ,

  VOTSC KICK ASS IN CC STROKE , MATCH & MOBILE CHALLENGES

  etc , etc , etc .
  

    Our CC Forum . Our comradery , dedication , interest in others . Willingness and eagerness to help . 

    Though we kept the roster at around 50 to 60 . The main group was there for years . This small group fought tooth and nail in every event . Mostly underdogs because of size . But we had some wins and some formidable players .  

    Very high turnover rate . By my choice for the most part . But others chose other paths as well . I really think we saw more than 600 players go through over the years .

    Still for many years we had a GR8 thing going amongst us . The best Tournament Director . Many GR8 tourney makers . Stroke Bracket and CTTH Bracket Directors . Blitz Directors .And of course GR8 members .
  

    All very professional and willing to put it out to ensure that they were fun an organized events .

    I asked a lot . Never demanded . But I did want to do everything . Even more than we were doing . I/we had so much fun . I believe that most members would feel the same and agree .

    I just wanted to be sure . ( after I left ) . That we were still all good . We parted on good terms . Even though it was tough for both myself and them . Eventually they moved on . That is totally cool . All good . I hope all are happy and enjoying where they are .

    This is my chance to reach out to all those GR8 VOTSCCers and WGTers . Many of us were together for years . And say thanx for the good times and bad times and all the crazy times .

    May the SUN always be with US .

   

    Paul
  

  
  

• pdb1 24,714 Posts

  Tue, Sep 1 2020 10:29 AM

    That's a helluva list . But I am finding some that aren't on it . Eventually I will have a more complete list . Then I will post it . It'll be a while .

• craigswan 27,677 Posts

  Wed, Sep 2 2020 8:07 AM

  Hard at work as usual paul .

  Thank goodness henry kawa and goldeena have found a friend .

  

• pdb1 24,714 Posts

  Wed, Sep 2 2020 9:05 AM

    It's a good thing I don't have that problem . I found a few projects that keep me busy . Keep me happy .

    During this Pandemic . Work has been sporadic . Had a lot of time to spare .

    Have a new contract starting in a few days . Back to the grind .

• pdb1 24,714 Posts

  Wed, Sep 2 2020 10:20 AM

    You are very funny Craig . The truth is . I have may many friends here . I still play and chat with regularly . I can't think of any of them that ever visit the Forums .

    Of course that wasn't always the case . Wayne and Alan and others , we all played frequently for ever . But like so many others . I don't see them around the forums any longer .

    I would venture to guess that they barely play anymore . If at all .

    Sad state of affairs . Indeed .

• pdb1 24,714 Posts

  Sat, Sep 26 2020 7:35 AM

  As I intended . I put faces to the names above . The many acquaintances , friends , CC owners , multiplayer mates , Forum participants , CLASH opponents , Legends , mentors , idols , ambassadors , teachers , many Andyson Annual Memorial participants , etc , etc . I have run across about 350 more for this list . The total nearing 1000 . Still separate from the " TRAILBLAZERS " . And the " MIA " lists .

  

  

  

  

  

  

  

  

  

  

  

  

  

  

  

  

  

  

  

  

  

  

  

  

  

  

  

  

    This is the largest group yet . There are 28 blocks of pics that had to be resized , hosted and posted . Without skipping any or repeating any . Lol . Piece of cake . Lol . In the " TRAILBLAZER " thread I used the image url's . But I can't see the pics until posted . This time I inserted each block . Doesn't make it any less confusing . I think I got it right .

  (i'll check it once it is posted .)

   

   

• ct690911 6,998 Posts

  Sun, Sep 27 2020 11:29 AM

  craigswan:

  Hard at work as usual paul .

  Thank goodness henry kawa and goldeena have found a friend .

  

  Goldeena is a guy right?...with a bad wig and garish make up?...at least that's how the selfie looked to me.

  After he/she posted endless putting "advice"..."le chevy"?, I asked why his/her own putting wasn't any better?....he/she responded "results weren't the point!!"... alrighty then...bring on Henry and Flatearth !!

• craigswan 27,677 Posts

  Sun, Sep 27 2020 11:44 AM

  Do you have to do each one individually paul .

  Weekend job .

  I had my niece all weekend .

  Watched every episode of paw patrol .

  Who had the hardest job there .

  

• pdb1 24,714 Posts

  Sun, Sep 27 2020 1:38 PM

  same answer as from above .

  pdb1:

    You are very funny Craig and ct . The truth is . I have may many friends here . I still play and chat with regularly . I can't think of any of them that ever visit the Forums .

    Of course that wasn't always the case . Wayne and Alan and others , we all played frequently for ever . But like so many others . I don't see them around the forums any longer .

    I would venture to guess that they barely play anymore . If at all .

    Sad state of affairs . Indeed .

   

• dchallenger 545 Posts

  Sun, Sep 27 2020 5:06 PM

  Well, it's a good thing for your challengers that you don't use your time constructively like improving your game!

  Wanna play?  LMAO