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Wed, Aug 25 2021 2:24 PM (15 replies)
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  • Herrera88
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    Sun, Feb 11 2018 2:02 AM
    How does the ranking work in WGT.I have been on pro tier for a few months,does it analyse your round ave .I have improved markedly ,but my round average is 73,because I play Olympic and bethpage courses most
  • Robert1893
    6,815 Posts
    Sun, Feb 11 2018 9:24 AM

    Olympic is a pretty tough course. But a player should be able to score fairly well on Bethpage. I think it's one of the easier courses. But that just might be me.

    In any case, here's a copy and paste from my CC's forum (it's by EasyEdward) regarding tier progression.

    What average do you need to Tier up, how many rounds do you need, and what is the effect of winning a Ready-Go or Match Play on your Average?

     

    • When Hack average is equal or less than 100.00 you move to Amateur
    • When Amateur average is equal or less than 80.00 you move to Pro
    • When Pro average is equal or less than 72.00 you move to Tour Pro
    • When Tour Pro average is equal or less than 67.00 you move to Master
    • When Master average is equal or less than 63.00 you move to Tour Master
    • When Tour Master average is equal or less than 61.00 you move to Legend
    • When Legend average is equal or less than 60.00 you move to Tour Legend
    • When Tour Legend average is equal to or less than 59.00 you move to Champion.
    • Tour Champion is by invitation only from WGT (we think).

     

    BUT

    Unless you win Ready Go Tourneys you need a certain minimum number of rounds played before you can move up to a higher Tier. This is commonly known as “saturation.” Rounds played on a Par 3 course, Par 5 course or any custom course do not count toward "saturation." Once saturation is reached WGT calculates your average based on the best rounds you have played in your current Tier. Both the minimum to get to saturation and how many rounds your average is based on is:  

     

    • 5 ranked rounds as Hack before reaching Amateur
    • 10 ranked rounds as Amateur before reaching Pro
    • 20 ranked rounds as Pro before reaching Tour Pro
    • 25 ranked rounds as Tour Pro before reaching Master
    • 40 ranked rounds as Master before reaching Tour Master
    • 50 ranked rounds as Tour Master before reaching Legend
    • 500 ranked rounds as Legend before reaching Tour Legend
    • 200 rounds as Tour Legend before reaching Champion
    • 200 rounds as Champion to reach saturation. However, as Tour Champion is by invitation only, saturation in this case only applies to WGT’s computation of your average

     

    HOWEVER

    If you win a Ready-Go or a Match Play against a higher tiered player your average will drop. Typically the drop is between 1 and 2 strokes. The exact formula WGT uses is unknown but it appears that 40 to 50 strokes are deducted from the total number of strokes you have played in your current Tier as a “bonus” for your win.

    This bonus no longer applies once you reach Legend Tier and do not carry over once you move up a Tier.

    These bonus strokes fade over time. Specifically, based on observation it appears that upon saturation two bonus strokes are lost every time you score lower than your highest score WGT still has recorded as your best for your current Tier.

  • alosso
    20,401 Posts
    Sun, Feb 11 2018 10:06 AM

    Herrera88:
    I have been on pro tier for a few months,does it analyse your round ave .I have improved markedly ,but my round average is 73,because I play Olympic and bethpage courses most
    Robert gave you the numbers.

    To lower your average and advance in tier, you might want to play other courses, too. STA and KIA have a reputation of being quite easy from the shorter tees.

    Also consider to play 9 hole rounds. By that, "good" and "bad" halves are separated - the good ones will count more, the bad ones will fall into oblivion.

     

  • MichaelStroke
    2,066 Posts
    Sun, Feb 11 2018 3:11 PM

    Robert1893:

    Olympic is a pretty tough course. But a player should be able to score fairly well on Bethpage.

    BPB is a gear-dependent course.  If you have mediocre to average gear, it can be a real pain.  If you have great gear, it's cake.

  • Robert1893
    6,815 Posts
    Sun, Feb 11 2018 3:50 PM

    @Michael

    Fair point. 

  • OGRammerJammer
    1 Posts
    Fri, Dec 4 2020 10:38 AM

    This all makes sense but doesn't seem to play out this way. I'm a 72 Tour Pro with a 69.24 average. 115 Ranked rounds played, 91 tournaments. Every day I play and beat "masters", "legends" etc. with much higher averages, less rounds played, less tournaments played. It never adds up. I don't actually care what my rank or level is, but there is no good explanation out there for what I see playing this game every day. If the answer in this post is true, almost none of the higher ranked players I play would actually have that ranking. 

  • bossbird
    1,291 Posts
    Sun, Dec 6 2020 3:36 PM

    Playing the mobile app , in the H2h games has always allowed progression to be made . Playing ranked rounds has been the traditional way , but with more players now using mobile you will see legends, tour masters etc , who may have 150 ave and no ranked rounds , and progress by beating higher ranked players .

  • wcwcec
    1 Posts
    Fri, Jul 30 2021 1:40 PM

    That’s most likely because, from my understanding, your average resets when you rank up t a new tier. So they might have had a very low average that allowed them to rank up, but then it reset and are struggling to get their average back down on the new tier 

  • pdb1
    22,500 Posts
    Mon, Aug 16 2021 5:21 PM

    wcwcec:

    That’s most likely because, from my understanding, your average resets when you rank up t a new tier. So they might have had a very low average that allowed them to rank up, but then it reset and are struggling to get their average back down on the new tier 

      Good 1st Post . Although what you suggest is very common . What is really happening is the system has become all cattywampus .

      On one hand you have the established WGT Tiering Method . That 80 % of current players used to guide themselves up the ranks .

      It is as follows .

    BASIC LEVEL AND AVERAGE REQUIREMENTS, AND SATURATION

      You need to play at least 5 ranked rounds as hack to saturate & be eligible for  Amateur.


      When your average score is equal or smaller than 100 you go from Hack to Amateur.


      You need to play at least 10 ranked rounds as amateur to saturate & be eligible for Pro.


      When your average score is equal or smaller than 80 you go from Amateur to Pro..

      You need to play at least 20 ranked rounds as Pro to saturate & be eligible for Tour Pro.


      When your average score is equal or smaller than 72 you go from pro to Tour Pro.

      You need to play at least 25 ranked rounds as Tour pro to saturate & be eligible for Master.


      When your average score is equal or smaller than 67 you go from Tour Pro to Master.

      You need to play at least 40 ranked rounds as Master to saturate & be eligible for Tour Master.


      When your average score is equal or smaller than 63 you go from Master to Tour Master.

      You need to play at least 50 ranked rounds as Tour Master to saturate & be eligible for Legend.

      When your average score is equal or smaller than 61 you go from Tour Master to Legend.

        You need to play at least 500 ranked rounds as Legend to  to saturate & be eligible for Tour Legend. 

      When your average score is equal or smaller than 60 you go from Legend to Tour Legend.

      You need to play at least 750 ranked rounds as Tour Legend to to saturate & be eligible for Champion .

      When your average score is equal or smaller than 59 you go from Tour Legend to Champion .

      You need to play another 1000 ranked rounds as a Champion to saturate .

      When your average score is equal to or smaller than 55 you are eligible to go from Champion to Tour Champion .

     EDIT : since it is widely known that jumping through hoops is no longer a requirement . ( not that it ever was and were originally my words to begin with ) I thought I would leave that as a humorous reminder . It was not a mistake . It was not misinformation . As it has become the task of many insecure players to moderate every word I post . I no longer can even be funny without raising their ire .If at all possible . I suggest to others that I am not perfect . And have made a mistake or 2 . But it is my intent to inform those who do not know . I do this with earnest . And take it very seriously . My anecdotes are simple and basic . And easy to comprehend . With 99.9 % correct information . This I do respectfully and without the need to criticize or insult or berate others that may have a different opinion .

      <^><^><^><^><^><^><^>

      Then there is the very real Mobile Division . Where for the last half a dozen years . This group played their asses off . Without WGT ever mentioning the WGT Tiering Method .

      They played mostly coin games that were not on the WGT.com system . They were seemingly randomly moved up in tiers by something with no rhyme or reason .

      That brings us to the present with a now strong showing of these mismatched Tiers and Levels .

      Most are not just curious . But also very ready to even out this disparity .

      That will eventually happen . Once they all adapt to the

    BASIC LEVEL AND AVERAGE REQUIREMENTS, AND SATURATION . Above .

     

      So , very good 1st Post you made on my birthday .

      You seem to be playing a lot .

      Keep enjoying .

      Welcome to the Forums .

      CONGRATS .


  • TopShelf2010
    10,344 Posts
    Mon, Aug 16 2021 6:30 PM

    pdb1:
    You need to jump through 10,000 hoops before you receive an exclusive personal invitation before reaching Tour Champion.

    OMFG... how many times do you need to be told this is NOT FN TRUE?

     

    There is NO LONGER a personal invitation for Tour Champion

     

    And you claim you don't spread misinformation. Proof is right there within the quote.

     

    Don

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