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Tue, Sep 7 2010 3:12 PM (19 replies)
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  • Rightin
    1,248 Posts
    Sat, Sep 4 2010 12:08 AM

    Upset as many others, but I to can understand why they have separated us into different tiers for the most of it,, The problem I have is,,,Why the difference in green speeds.  Makes no sense to me.  It's golf,, or is it what WGT calls golf?. 

     I play real golf, and have yet to play on any courses that can change green speeds like WGT has done.   I think they are going at this for themselve and not to be kind to us,, or any one.   WGT you have a problem, You have forgot what this game golf is about,,,equal playing for all,and on the same field or course as it may be.  Hey I enjoyed playing with different ranked golfers. I came up to the level I am with the help of others, and I have tried to help as many others as I can in this Virtual golf game. 

     To change tee boxes would have been enough I would have thought,  that way we could still play against other different ranked/tier players, and on the same playing field.  What has now happened, is others will not play because of the green speeds.  Hey WGT, you are separating us from each other, and for me I like playing this game golf, and the joy we were having and sharing in it, by playing with all different ranks/tiers of players.

    I would like to know one simple thing,,, If this game is golf why do we play on different green speeds? Real golf doesn't do that between there ranking of handi-caps, and why do we not have handi-caps  that would determine the tournaments we can play in.  I would think it easy with all your technology, that you could have made this all a bit more simplified for everyone.  Sorry that was two questions and I said one,,,lmao

    Just my thinking, but I am up in years and sometime wonder why we make things harder than they need be.     You should have kept this game as golf was meant to be, with a Handi-cap system, rather than this you are trying to make us believe works and is fair for all.   You are turning many of us in to unhappy players.  

     I came to this site when it was younger, and hoped to see great improvement, and better than those of others golf games that have failed.  But I now feel you are taking us down a road of deception.  Don't get me wrong, I have loved many things that have come to be for this site.  But I enjoy playing this game golf with others also.  That is now going away, and because it is being set up for levels and tiers that you tell us we must get use to.   That is the truth for me,,, I am "Legend", I was a master, thank the Golf Gods I bought the equipment I did when I did, before you decided to change this all around on us.  But still what you have done, makes no sense at all, if we are to believe this is like real golf.   You are making what was good enough for us, if that,,into a Virtual catastrophe, and one many are thinking of walking away from.

    You have taken away the fun for many, and some may never return, I don't make threats, I have an understanding of people in this,  and also understand many will hang in with this you have created, but it is no longer the game of Golf that I have come to play, and enjoy with many others I have called my friends.    KISS,  Keep it simple stupid.  An Old saying but I have found it to be dead on line at times.

    Your tourneys could have all been controlled, and played by or rankings, as Master or Pro. This can still be done with your new Legends, and Masters of all sorts, and with Pro's also of all sorts.  It is possible, and much the same as real golf has done.

       I loved climbing the ranks, I to have stumbled at times when changing between tiers, Hack to Amateur, then to Pro and on to Master,,,  I earned my way through all the meter glitches and down times and even the many times I was booted during some of my best games on this site.  Now you have made me a Legend,,,lol   for what it's worth, but to me it is worth nothing when I have to play in practice rounds to get other to play, because they can still play on slower greens.  Hey the greens are a joke, lets face it.    I never play on tourney greens, they are to fast for me, and I admit it, and always will.   Keep the game so everyone can play the same greens as in real golf.  Move your tee's where ever you like, but also let us have access to all the cluds available in your Pro shop as in real golf.  

     Sandbaggers are out there and will always be there, Cheating, none of us like or would like to think is a part of this game,,but is has happened.   Many of us are begining to think we are being punished for there wrong doings.   Change is not alway the way, but if to do so, keep us playing and sharing the same game, as golf was meant to be.  Don't take what we have worked hard to earn, away with out concern for our efforts.  Damm this game is not as easy as some would think, and you just crippled many of us with these changes.  

     Will I still play?  I am leaning away from this site and what it is turning into.   It is starting to become a headache for me as well as others.   Sorry Guys, I don't no anymore what to think,, I guess I am lucky I can still play the real game of golf, I like to compete, I have a NCGA handi-cap, and at a 9,  I still get beat by those with 16 or higher,, and I don't mind it either, as we do play on the same greens and there speeds never change between rankings/handi-caps.   I wish you all luck, and I hope you get it right soon,,,,WGT it has been a joy until now.  

    I am just a man, human in appearance at best, but don't believe what you see on this game, on here I am an Avatar only, and I do have many disguises.    Thx for reading this and I sorry for being long winded, but Golf, and this game WGT, I have enjoyed until now.  

  • riskaddiction
    23 Posts
    Sat, Sep 4 2010 2:15 AM

    agreed changing the green speeds is a sad attempt at artificially lowering scores..   perhaps too many people were scoring low and earning credits through ready gos..     just played a multiplayer game where both players left because they could not adjust to the tournament speed...         if wgt wants to combat memorization and make this a more level playing field...  how about adding more courses instead of changing the functionality of the greens...        absolutely bone headed move...       who does this benefit exactly?     it seems the only winner is wgts pocket book in terms of pay outs...    screwing with the speed of the greens is a cheap way of erasing ones "past experience"      now the same putts we made just dont go in or go long or dont break at the same time...   how does this represent golf??      last time I checked the greens remain CONSISTENT..    they dont suddenly became ice slick...         this is a bad update..     making people with under 65 averages legends???    some of these same legends have ZERO ready go wins...     truly a bone headed move...      dont artificially inflate the difficulty...  leave the greens alone..   we play so we can learn how hard to hit particular shots...    you just negated all the past experience for what?    

    this is a money making gambling site...   not a representation of golf...    get too used to putting...   well the house just changes the dynamics to ensure not to many people can win money..    absolutely transparent.

  • Naughtyone
    873 Posts
    Sat, Sep 4 2010 2:34 AM

    Rightin:
    Connie here..aka..Naughtyone...  I could not have said it any plainer or any better Rightin.. I grew up next to a golf course and have had a club in hand since 14..I just turned 34.

    This  WAS is closet thing to playing real golf I've seen online. Now it's a joke--and none are laughing. I have 450+ friends here, from all tiers and many different countries.I've yet to talk to one of them that is happy with the changes in green speeds or the leveling system.  

    I too was ranked a "Legend" because of a temporary low in my average. Legends are not simply 'born' out of a 12-15 round average.

    They should be given that honor when their games prove them out. Tournaments won..high in ALL  stats.. able to play under par any day on any course...total money / credits won ..etc..

    Everywhere I played a course, you might see a slight difference in green speeds, but nothing as dramatic as what has fell upon the masses here. Real golf ideas and conditions are what WGT should try to emulate.

    .How about less wind and a little drizzle of rain that could be computer generated to pop up at times? Happens to mee at times on a real course.

    I think they should be tour 'cards' for each tier. It your playing average falls below your tier, you lose you card and your equipment for that tier 'locked out' until you get your average back down. The sandbaggers  would scream "FOUL".  Lmao !! 

    The great Ben Hogan was at the top of his game when he had a car accident and was told he would never swing a golf club again. He battled back to win a major title within two years. I always admired that, and his most profound way of explaining the game.  

    " Golf is something we play, but never really win. You get out of golf exactly what you put into it..The results are right there--at your feet. You must put in the work--the rounds to get the results you seek." 

    Please Rightin---hang in there. When WGT starts seeing the ranks thin---players quitting, people stop spending on balls and clubs, they will yet again make it right with us. They HAVE TO --or risk losing 50% of their income..

    Upset as many others, but I to can understand why they have separated us into different tiers for the most of it,, The problem I have is,,,Why the difference in green speeds.  Makes no sense to me.  It's golf,, or is it what WGT calls golf?. 

     I play real golf, and have yet to play on any courses that can change green speeds like WGT has done.   I think they are going at this for themselve and not to be kind to us,, or any one.   WGT you have a problem, You have forgot what this game golf is about,,,equal playing for all,and on the same field or course as it may be.  Hey I enjoyed playing with different ranked golfers. I came up to the level I am with the help of others, and I have tried to help as many others as I can in this Virtual golf game. 

     To change tee boxes would have been enough I would have thought,  that way we could still play against other different ranked/tier players, and on the same playing field.  What has now happened, is others will not play because of the green speeds.  Hey WGT, you are separating us from each other, and for me I like playing this game golf, and the joy we were having and sharing in it, by playing with all different ranks/tiers of players.

    I would like to know one simple thing,,, If this game is golf why do we play on different green speeds? Real golf doesn't do that between there ranking of handi-caps, and why do we not have handi-caps  that would determine the tournaments we can play in.  I would think it easy with all your technology, that you could have made this all a bit more simplified for everyone.  Sorry that was two questions and I said one,,,lmao

    Just my thinking, but I am up in years and sometime wonder why we make things harder than they need be.     You should have kept this game as golf was meant to be, with a Handi-cap system, rather than this you are trying to make us believe works and is fair for all.   You are turning many of us in to unhappy players.  

     I came to this site when it was younger, and hoped to see great improvement, and better than those of others golf games that have failed.  But I now feel you are taking us down a road of deception.  Don't get me wrong, I have loved many things that have come to be for this site.  But I enjoy playing this game golf with others also.  That is now going away, and because it is being set up for levels and tiers that you tell us we must get use to.   That is the truth for me,,, I am "Legend", I was a master, thank the Golf Gods I bought the equipment I did when I did, before you decided to change this all around on us.  But still what you have done, makes no sense at all, if we are to believe this is like real golf.   You are making what was good enough for us, if that,,into a Virtual catastrophe, and one many are thinking of walking away from.

    You have taken away the fun for many, and some may never return, I don't make threats, I have an understanding of people in this,  and also understand many will hang in with this you have created, but it is no longer the game of Golf that I have come to play, and enjoy with many others I have called my friends.    KISS,  Keep it simple stupid.  An Old saying but I have found it to be dead on line at times.

    Your tourneys could have all been controlled, and played by or rankings, as Master or Pro. This can still be done with your new Legends, and Masters of all sorts, and with Pro's also of all sorts.  It is possible, and much the same as real golf has done.

       I loved climbing the ranks, I to have stumbled at times when changing between tiers, Hack to Amateur, then to Pro and on to Master,,,  I earned my way through all the meter glitches and down times and even the many times I was booted during some of my best games on this site.  Now you have made me a Legend,,,lol   for what it's worth, but to me it is worth nothing when I have to play in practice rounds to get other to play, because they can still play on slower greens.  Hey the greens are a joke, lets face it.    I never play on tourney greens, they are to fast for me, and I admit it, and always will.   Keep the game so everyone can play the same greens as in real golf.  Move your tee's where ever you like, but also let us have access to all the cluds available in your Pro shop as in real golf.  

     Sandbaggers are out there and will always be there, Cheating, none of us like or would like to think is a part of this game,,but is has happened.   Many of us are begining to think we are being punished for there wrong doings.   Change is not alway the way, but if to do so, keep us playing and sharing the same game, as golf was meant to be.  Don't take what we have worked hard to earn, away with out concern for our efforts.  Damm this game is not as easy as some would think, and you just crippled many of us with these changes.  

     Will I still play?  I am leaning away from this site and what it is turning into.   It is starting to become a headache for me as well as others.   Sorry Guys, I don't no anymore what to think,, I guess I am lucky I can still play the real game of golf, I like to compete, I have a NCGA handi-cap, and at a 9,  I still get beat by those with 16 or higher,, and I don't mind it either, as we do play on the same greens and there speeds never change between rankings/handi-caps.   I wish you all luck, and I hope you get it right soon,,,,WGT it has been a joy until now.  

    I am just a man, human in appearance at best, but don't believe what you see on this game, on here I am an Avatar only, and I do have many disguises.    Thx for reading this and I sorry for being long winded, but Golf, and this game WGT, I have enjoyed until now.  

     

  • WGTadmin
    1,166 Posts
    Sat, Sep 4 2010 2:10 PM

    Hi guys, thank you for the thoughtful, heartfelt feedback on multiple aspects of the game of golf (virtual and otherwise).  I suspect you've seen this recent post, addressing some of the issues what you've brought up here...but if not, please take a look.  http://wgt.com/forums/t/21308.aspx 

    Thanks!

     

     

     

  • PinkFox
    2 Posts
    Sat, Sep 4 2010 2:25 PM

    After all said and done.... the game is now so difficult that the only way you can cope playing it to a level where it is enjoyable is if you spend vast amounts of your own money in buying the clubs etc etc to be able to play

    all this facade about tiers and making it fairer is just a blatant money making scheme by wgt

    i am not able to put a great deal of money as i have been out or work classed as disabled and this site was a good way of meeting people and having fun to take my mind off the pain.... now like many others im using up a few odd items i have been lucky enough to be gifted and then seriously thinking of quitting

    Thanks WGT for ruining it ..... hope you enjoy spending all your Easily gained dollars

     

  • Rightin
    1,248 Posts
    Sat, Sep 4 2010 4:58 PM

    Well spoken Risk,,, you do see the truth as it is evident in your words, just the small guy is left out,,,But do they care, WGT that is,,,Hummmm I wonder.   Thanks for speaking up.  We all need to at times.   

  • Rightin
    1,248 Posts
    Sat, Sep 4 2010 5:15 PM

    Thank you Connie,,,We sometime need to speak what we feel in our truths,, I love Golf and the challenge it presents to us on the courses we play,,, and what you quoted from BEN HOGAN, is the real truth of this game.  Thank you for your words of inspiration.    Rightin/Ken

  • Hoponu2
    14 Posts
    Sat, Sep 4 2010 7:13 PM

    Personally speaking, i agree with all the complains that are being posted,it sure isnt fun anymore. I too am ready to quit playing here an do something else, but like most players it is very addicting to leave, but many people are leaving an cant blame them. As far as the tiers are concerned, i think only those who are under 60 should of been legends, not the rest of us. if they dont change that, then at least give us drivers with the extra 20-30 ds were being short changed an even it out, also give us the backspin back, right now it only works like it should on 2 shots, with the 60 degree wedge between 70-75 yds an the 54 wedge between 90-95 yds it works right, all other shots its useless. you either go for the pin an watch it roll 10-20yds by or play it short an it doesn roll at all, its ridiculous. I like to shoot for the pin an is very discusting to watch it roll 10-20 yds by cause of NO BACKSPIN. I complained about this since week 3 of St andrews course opening, when during those 3 weeks the backspin worked even on punch shots of 40-50 yds the ball would stop...not anymore it doesnt, they told me it was the ball i was using, bullcrap, they took it away cause scores were too low. Its all about control to wtg, they only want a few to win everything an the rest of us pay there salary. think they should fire all at wtg an get some people who know the game instead of trying to control our scores.                                                                                                       

  • GinoBambino
    2 Posts
    Sat, Sep 4 2010 7:38 PM

    SoWhattsaamattaU!

    I think you should shut down for a Week, and get this Golf Game back to a Golf Game.  Not fill it with a Bunch ridiculous No Nonsense Garbage. 

    Unbelievable.... Nothing is consistent in the New Master Series...

    Up-hill goes Faster and Farther than Down-Hill,

    Right and Left Steep Slopes go Straight? 

    15 -30 ft Putts go 5-8'?

    Club Selection Means Nothing? Iron shots Forget it... They go any distance but the selection chosen, that should be more than enough club. Especially on the fairway?

    When a 9 Iron Goes 10 Yards father?   Something is really wrong...

    Some one Who Approved this Fix or Change, better get the Tweekers back to Work.  I don't mind a Challenge, But this is Ridiculous.

    When you hit a Driver- Fairway Wood, and you Smack in the Middle and the Ball Goes Extreme Right or Left?  That is all BS.... Come On Guys Lets get Back to Golfing and have some fun.

  • Swaggy2010
    1 Posts
    Sun, Sep 5 2010 5:54 PM

    Yes totally agree the changes suck and doesnt matter on some courses which club is picked hit full and goes 3ft and some even more than the iron or wedge is capable of even hitting, was liking but getting more disgruntled 

    As for putting was going great until changes now the distance meter isnt even close to accurate as was before 

     

    Bunkers were easy to get out of before have found on some even hit full strike only goes 3 yards

     

    Comon WTG fix it or loose players, this was a relaxing game, now just shear frustration most days !!

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