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Wed, Jun 12 2024 11:11 AM (11 replies)
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  • arkage57
    2,821 Posts
    Tue, May 7 2024 11:24 AM

    I really like seeing the custom courses submitted by various clubs, and open for all to play.

    One suggestion I think is appropriate and needed: In the description, tell us what this course represents- Is it a collection of the club's favorites? the club's most disliked? is it modeled after a PGA course that is not available on WGT? what does it represent to the club or member that created it?

    Without the descriptor, for anyone not in the club that submitted it, it is just a collection of random holes from random courses.(But still a nice break from playing the same courses over and over)

    Ark

  • Feodas0
    1 Posts
    Wed, May 8 2024 6:45 AM

    Hello, I would like to suggest something to give you more of a challenge during tie-breaks.
    You should let the hole play normally, and if there is a tie, it is the one that was closest to the hole during the 1st approach who wins the game.
    This would add even more suspense.

  • BlackBogey
    331 Posts
    Wed, May 8 2024 1:46 PM

    Feodas0:

    Hello, I would like to suggest something to give you more of a challenge during tie-breaks.
    You should let the hole play normally, and if there is a tie, it is the one that was closest to the hole during the 1st approach who wins the game.
    This would add even more suspense.

    Great idea, but then it really gives the advantage to the player with better equipment/apparel.  If the person with the lower equipment/apparel has already persevered through regulation, no need to put them at an extra disadvantage on the  "Sudden Death" hole?

    Say a player with a 265yd driver has managed to eke out a tie against a player with a 291yd driver in the regulation hole(s).  Then when they get to the "Extra" hole, the 265yd player will be at a distinct disadvantage, especially if they get a strong headwind and can't even reach the green in regulation (or some holes reach the fairway off the tee).  Or they get a strong tailwind and the 291yd guy can reach the green setting up an eagle chance/easy 2 putt.

  • SamSpayed
    4,927 Posts
    Wed, May 8 2024 3:13 PM

    arkage57:

    I really like seeing the custom courses submitted by various clubs, and open for all to play.

    One suggestion I think is appropriate and needed: In the description, tell us what this course represents- Is it a collection of the club's favorites? the club's most disliked? is it modeled after a PGA course that is not available on WGT? what does it represent to the club or member that created it?

    I agree, Ark.  We also need to have a Description of each Custom Course in the list of CC Custom Courses (https://www.wgt.com/clubs/custom_courses.aspx). 

  • arkage57
    2,821 Posts
    Sun, Jun 2 2024 6:01 AM

    Hey Sam,

    I see that this time they are using a custom course that you submitted, but they did not take the suggestion to give any insight into what the course represents or means to the creator.

    Care to give us some insight on your custom course?

    Appreciate the course and any info you care to share.

     

    Ark

  • SamSpayed
    4,927 Posts
    Sun, Jun 2 2024 3:07 PM

    arkage57:

    Hey Sam,

    I see that this time they are using a custom course that you submitted, but they did not take the suggestion to give any insight into what the course represents or means to the creator.

    Care to give us some insight on your custom course?

    Appreciate the course and any info you care to share.

    Hi Ark,

    The way I came up with the course was:

    • I tried to use a hole from every regular WGT course (some courses have 2 holes though)
    • A tough 1st hole (from a course) for hole #1, a tough 2nd hole (from another course) for hole #2, etc.  

    Hope this helps ­čÖé

  • arkage57
    2,821 Posts
    Sun, Jun 2 2024 4:18 PM

    Nice!

    That gives me and others a clear understanding and appreciation for playing this course. I know what to expect and what the designer was striving for.

    Thanks!

    Ark

  • Squatch031
    182 Posts
    Fri, Jun 7 2024 7:23 AM

    First off, if the "player with less capable equipment" managed "eek out" a tie, then your remaining argument is likely moot as he has proven he can play..  Also, if he has less capable equipment, he is likely at a lower level and hitting from shorter tees.  Lastly if eligible, everyone has the option to purchase better equipment.  It appears to me that what you are pushing for is equity across all levels, and that is not realistic.  Golf is not a socialist sport.

  • BlackBogey
    331 Posts
    Mon, Jun 10 2024 6:59 AM

    Squatch031:

    First off, if the "player with less capable equipment" managed "eek out" a tie, then your remaining argument is likely moot as he has proven he can play..  Also, if he has less capable equipment, he is likely at a lower level and hitting from shorter tees.  Lastly if eligible, everyone has the option to purchase better equipment.  It appears to me that what you are pushing for is equity across all levels, and that is not realistic.  Golf is not a socialist sport.

    I'm only guessing you are replying to my post (even though no way to be sure since you didn't quote anyone specific) since you used the "eek out" a tie?  If that's the case I used "eke" as in "manage with difficulty", not "eek" as in "I just saw a mouse".  Not really relevant though.

    Just a few points in response to your post: 

    1) Having lesser equipment is not a clear indicator of being a lower level, as some just can't afford the higher end clubs/balls, or just don't see the point in upgrading.  I grant you, it can mean exactly what you are saying, but not written in stone. 

    2) The tee boxes used are decided by your Tier, not your Level, and some games don't even use this - they just go off the higher player's default conditions.  Therefore, you can be a poor player skill-wise (lower Tier), but have accumulated enough XP to be a high level (potential for better equipment). 

    3) If a person with lower leveled equipment has managed to tie a player with better gear over 3/9/18 holes, then likely they either are: A) a more skilled player who is comfortable with their equipment, or B) someone who has played well above their current skill level during the "regulation" portion of the competition.  In this case the odds just flat out favor the better player with better equipment.  It's much easier for the person with more skills and better equipment to make par/birdie vs the person with with lesser gear who has been playing well above their skill level all along.  Not saying it will always play out that way, but the odds are in their favor.

    4) Player A has top end driver/irons.  Driver goes 310 (without apparel) leaving a short iron/wedge into green.  Player B has mid-level driver/irons.  Driver goes 285 leaving a long/mid iron into green.  Who would you say has the advantage in this situation? 

    The original proposal that I replied suggested to play the entire tie-break hole then use the Approach as a "sudden death" tie breaker.  In both cases the advantage clearly goes to the player with better equipment.  As explained above in #4, they will be hitting a shorter approach distance, with a higher lofted club, that will be in the air less to be effected by wind.  So not only do they have the advantage to win the extra hole in regulation with par/birdie, but to win the CTTH sudden death shot since they will be hitting a much more manageable shot.

    ** And no where did I push for "equality" across all Levels/Tiers or claim golf should be a Socialist sport.  I simply stated a response to a proposed idea and why I felt it put one side at a distinct disadvantage.

  • arkage57
    2,821 Posts
    Mon, Jun 10 2024 11:07 AM

    Started off as a post requesting information pertaining to the background(s) on the Community Custom courses.... has quickly been hijacked and railroaded into a completely different topic......

    No wonder this forum has degraded into a black hole of nothingness.

    Takes the original intent and point of the post, and diminishes it into just another reason for an online fight about whatever.

    Guess I'll keep my opinions and suggestions to myself from now on, as I don't want to be included or associated with this nonsense. 

     

    Carry on with the verbal food fight.

    Ark

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