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29 yd Flop shot

Wed, Jan 30 2019 4:24 PM by goldeena. 32 replies.
  • DoctorLarry United States
    2,164 Posts
    Fri, Jan 18 2019 12:01 AM

    MCH2:

    In what situation will a 29 yd flop shot outperform a full 60 yd wedge?

    If you are in a bunker or anywhere when a high "wall" is right in front of you, AFAIK.

     

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  • mantis0014 Australia
    8,493 Posts
    Fri, Jan 18 2019 1:38 AM

    56 Wedge/38 flop is the only thing I don't use too much.   29/20 f;ops is the go with me

    Depending on wind and slope.   You just have to move the pin slightly or not at all.   Full backspin and click the line before the ding.  

    38 flop will run a bit more,   29 flop wil slightly run and stop,  20 flop will bounce and stop.

    Depends on what golf balls you use too

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  • goldeena Thailand
    1,679 Posts
    Fri, Jan 18 2019 3:58 AM

    Just had one today!!

    In this instance I would prefer the 29 yard flop, and I was right - still have to work on that offset lols...but still you can see where it comes in to play....

     

    http://www.wgt.com/replay.aspx?ID=744b27a4-6642-4689-b9e9-a9d900c4330f

     

    You are very welcome sir.

     

    vvvvvvv

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  • MCH2 United States
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    Fri, Jan 18 2019 12:35 PM

    Thanks for the replay goldeena.  All I can say is that the 29 flop must get a little more elevation than say a 50 or 60 yd full wedge at that distance, because I don't think the 29 yd flop can stop as quickly no matter what ball your playing.  

    A short elevated shot with lots of green to work with and an uphill roll seems to be its use, but I still say -even in this situation- a full wedge would work better all things considered.

     

    It must be it elevates slightly better at that distance than the full wedge is all I can figure.

     

    Thanks all.  :-)

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  • newcastleb United Kingdom
    1,798 Posts
    Fri, Jan 18 2019 1:45 PM

    goldeena:
    Just had one today!!

    funny how things go, I, too, hardly ever use the 29yd flop (unlike the 20 yd'r which is gets frequent use) but I just finished a MP on Kia, badly misjudged the tee shot on the Par 3 14th and rolled off the green and down the hill.  

    Didn't save a replay, but from memory had about 24yds to the pin, 7' up, but downhill after landing.  50% bs 29 flop and I was within 2' for par

    Thomas

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  • DoctorLarry United States
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    Fri, Jan 18 2019 8:58 PM

    MCH2:

    It must be it elevates slightly better at that distance than the full wedge is all I can figure.

     

    That is the time to use it.  I find it harder to aim, but it beats banging the ball into the steep slope in front of me!  (been there, done that!)

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  • SplashLewis United States
    331 Posts
    Sun, Jan 20 2019 12:34 PM

    goldeena:

     still have to work on that offset

    Here is your Offset. Measured in "squares"

    OFFSET=C20*0.118

    C20 = Yards to the pin. 

    Once you get the offset, go to reverse view and move the arrow right that many squares.

    Example.  A 15yd flop will yield an offset of 1.77 squares.  go to the REVERSE view, grab the pointer and move it right 1.77 squares

     

     

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  • goldeena Thailand
    1,679 Posts
    Sun, Jan 20 2019 1:05 PM

    SplashLewis:

    goldeena:

     still have to work on that offset

    Here is your Offset. Measured in "squares"

    OFFSET=C20*0.118

    C20 = Yards to the pin. 

    Once you get the offset, go to reverse view and move the arrow right that many squares.

    Example.  A 15yd flop will yield an offset of 1.77 squares.  go to the REVERSE view, grab the pointer and move it right 1.77 squares

     

     

    Interesting Splash Lewis, it is something I have pondered upon lots, that shot was hit with 26 yards of power I do believe out of 35% sand, but the actual distance to pin was only 13 yard - exactly half.

    My offset at the present time works on the actual shot power, I have often wondered just that - does it work off the actual distance to pin or the shot input distance the ball is hit - so in this example it presents the offset as it would be for 26 yards, which is around 10 feet - which was about 2x what the offset turned out to be (it should have been around 5 feet).

    Looking at those figures I have now added an extra scaling which says multiply the offset by: 

    actual distance to pin/ shot hit yardage

     

    which in this case would have been x 13/26, or 1/2, 0.5.

     

    That would have got me right on the pin so I am trialing this at the moment, I will note what you have said there because you appear to be taking the actual distance to pin and that would have worked out pretty well too though my predictor would have given a null result, it would see 13 as out of range, presented a negative gibberish number that would in-turn have yielded a zero which means out of range, it just means the predictor is suggesting the 20 yard flop, but obviously that's no good here because it is in range so I have to find a way that it will accept supposed out of range distances when hitting out of roughs that require in-range powers and this fix of mine would appear to be the solution. But as long as we find a fix that works for our own individual models that's the main thing, there is no right and no wrong with these things - just what works.

     

    Thx Splash!!

     

    Just as an aside - has anyone noticed the amount of cr@pspeak on the forums these days, just loads and loads of rubbish-speak and nobody is doing anything new or innovative - you have to flip back to around pre-2015 for all the good stuff.

    These days it's just absolute waffle with nothing fresh to offer - apart from people like Splash Lewis and Myself who are always working on new stuff, so don't even dare mock what either of us are doing or discussing - we are a rarity among this stale bit chy community that has run out of ideas.

     

    Thx.

     

    Oh look - something new and innovative on the forums...

     

    FCCPPP - 2nd gen with preliminary Chip-in and Pitch-in predictors

     

    lols, look at this!!

     

    =IF(AND(OR(AND($DIST.$B$137>120-F90;$DIST.$B$137<=135-F91);$B$141>120);F119>0);$DIST.$B$137+$DIST.F91+$DIST.$G$25;IF(AND(OR(AND(B137>120-F90;B137<=135-F91);B143>120);F120>0);B137+F91+G25;0))


    As I hard-stitch the 115yard Mackdaddy wedge in I find myself having to execute this particular line of command!!


    The logic is complex because there are 2 paths that can be taken - depending on whether the 115 yard wedge is switched in - they are 100yard wedge to 120yard pitching wedge and 115yard wedge to version 2 of the 120yard pitching wedge which has different limits from the first version of that club!! Because of this the 135 yard iron has to be ready to accept overflow from either of them!!!


    Not only this particular complexity, the punch also adds to this mental spaghetti by cutting in at 84 yards, 96 yards and 103 yards as the 100yd cleveraland, 115ysd macdaddy and 120 yard RSi pitching wedge kick in and out of their operational ranges.


    I have also added cream to the quality of this pie by imposing a limit in the final user screen which tells the G.U.I to return a zero if the result is between 80 and 103 yards for a full shot, this is added to prompt the user to use the FCPP and implement a punch instead. in this way the user will never have to remember the range over which the pitching wedge and macdaddy wedge operate and thus take the full shot in error. This limit has to be imposed at the very last stage such are the intricacies of rough, ball and club compensations - they can push an out of range value back in to range all the way up to the final presentation, thus the need for this limit toi be set at the very end of the chain - these are the complexities you face when working on such a powerful hyper-machine like La Ferrari 2019 and I have truly excelled myself in this 4th stage of development.


    The logic has been stunningly intricate, complex and liable to error that would be like searching through a needle in a haystack!! But I have managed to complete the full chain for a headwind with no backspin - the whole circle of mayhem has been achieved for 1 set or circumstances and means I have made it, achieved it, because it's just a matter of copying over what I did now, there is no more intuition required....just a matter of time to sift through this massive jobbie - i am hiugely excited that I appear to be on the verge of succeeding in the incredibly intricate task of Hard Stitching the 115yard Macdaddy wedge and I will document all of this in due course - you are going to be gobsmacked with the logic and hold my intellect in the highest regard when you see what I have managed to achieve!!


    All coming up soon in the final chapter of the La-Ferrari 2019 project log!!!!

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  • DoctorLarry United States
    2,164 Posts
    Mon, Jan 21 2019 12:56 PM

    goldeena:

    Just as an aside - has anyone noticed the amount of cr@pspeak on the forums these days, just loads and loads of rubbish-speak and nobody is doing anything new or innovative - you have to flip back to around pre-2015 for all the good stuff.

    These days it's just absolute waffle with nothing fresh to offer - apart from people like Splash Lewis and Myself who are always working on new stuff, so don't even dare mock what either of us are doing or discussing - we are a rarity among this stale bit chy community that has run out of ideas.

    You need to get out more................

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  • SplashLewis United States
    331 Posts
    Mon, Jan 21 2019 1:30 PM

    goldeena:

     

    My offset at the present time works on the actual shot power, I have often wondered just that - does it work off the actual distance to pin or the shot input distance the ball is hit -

    Mine works off the actual distance you want to hit the ball, which in most cases is pin high. Sometimes you don't want to do that of course like on Wolf Creek #13 because it's a highly slanted green that you would be flopping to from the rough, downhill. In that case I am flopping to the top edge of the green and letting it roll down to the pin.

    Desired distance => power%.  My offset works regardless of 20yard or 29yard club.  The offfset is exact.

    regarding your other comment about the trolls,  I "try" to ignore them.  :)

     

     

     

     

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