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Re: Showdown countback

Thu, Apr 11 2024 2:06 PM (6 replies)
  • AnaNikolaj
    638 Posts
    Sat, May 20 2023 1:14 AM

    For anyone who was wondering... 

     

    Some of us were wondering, how the showdown tiebreaker actually worked, given the fact the description leaves room for interpretation. So DodgyPutter, MioKontic and I, decided we'd go on a fun quest in the qualifier and test the system. What worried us was the "final showdown score" was not being fair, since people play the same 3-hole sets in completely different order, therefore someone, who gets a par 11 set as their last 3 holes would have a big advantage against someone, who gets a par 14...

     

    What we discovered, with a bit of luck, "spying" on others and great help from sebicu and cusefan, who kindly shared their scorecards with us, was the following.

    Although we all play hole sets in a different order, there's a unified pre-determined behind the scenes WGT scorecard, where every player's hole sets are arranged in the same order and that is used to break ties. When we play, we can't know, which hole set is being used as the last, 2nd to last or 3rd to last, by WGT. But it's the same order for everyone, no matter in what actual order we play them. We were able to establish the "correct" order for the countback for the qualifier, which was Erin hills as the opening set, Chambers bay as the middle one and Pebble beach as the final set of holes on the WGT showdown card. So, if one had the best score on Pebble, they would win the tiebreaker, even if they played it as their opening set of holes.

    Anyway, fun times and mistery resolved. Seems the showdowns are at least fair in regards of people's scores being counted in the same order, even though the random conditions in every other aspect still make them a bit of a lottery 😉

  • KenBTEXAS
    292 Posts
    Sat, May 20 2023 9:50 AM

    not sure I was wondering, but great job in the discovery.

    Sounds like a fun endevor.

    Thanks

     

  • MarchieB
    1,527 Posts
    Sat, May 20 2023 1:30 PM

    I’ve known this was messed up for quite a while and brought it up to the WGT’ers on Discord but never got a reply. 
    I once had a score of birdie/birdie/eagle on the last three hole of a showdown but was placed as the second last of 11 or 12 players with the same overall score. There no way that ALL 11 or 12 players who placed above me had beaten or tied my score over the last 3 holes. 
    Knowing that there is a special scorecard that doesn’t necessarily reflect the order that you play the holes in sheds a lot of light on this!  
    😖 

  • cyrusthegreat
    83 Posts
    Tue, Apr 9 2024 6:09 PM

    That's a little silly but very useful to know, thank you!

  • SamSpayed
    4,948 Posts
    Wed, Apr 10 2024 10:37 AM

    AnaNikolaj:
    Although we all play hole sets in a different order, there's a unified pre-determined behind the scenes WGT scorecard, where every player's hole sets are arranged in the same order and that is used to break ties. When we play, we can't know, which hole set is being used as the last, 2nd to last or 3rd to last, by WGT. But it's the same order for everyone, no matter in what actual order we play them.

    It seems to me that if WGT just displayed to us that pre-determined behind-the-scenes "official" WGT scorecard, with the holes in the correct order and our scores filled in as we play, that would fix a lot of the confusion and complaints.

  • cyrusthegreat
    83 Posts
    Thu, Apr 11 2024 2:06 PM

    Yes, or just implement the tiebreaker so that it works as people expect. Yes, it would be random, since it would reward getting the easier holes last. But the actual tiebreaker is essentially totally random too!

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