next time you're in NY go and play it...it's only $100...well worth the night you have to spend in your car in the parking lot to get a tee time, unless you're from NY, which i gather you are not. I played it last year and hung out with two guys from australia and two from canada (montreal) all night w/three of my friends. one of the australians shot even par from the black tees, he was a semi-pro golfer though.