Please allow me an interjection - I hope you can see it as neutral.
All participants have posted 121 posts in this thread, me thinks you had enough opportunity to make your point. Nevertheless, you are further away than ever before.
Paul, you won't succeed to convince the others, and they won't convince you.
Therefore, in my deepest belief, the discussion has become useless and it's becoming ugly. Everybody should stop it.
Please stop it!
You might want to "agree to disagree" (or not).
Apart from that, WGT might want to stop the thread officially.