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Fri, Nov 24 2017 10:12 AM (13 replies)
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  • HenrikGF
    10 Posts
    Fri, Mar 25 2016 5:33 AM

    Hi guys, 

    Do any of you know how the durability of balls compares ?

    Is it simple percentage so e.g. a ball with a durability of 2 will take twice as many hits as a ball with a durability of 1, before being taken out of play, or is there a different formula ?

    I am currently trying to find a good ball, with a reasonable life span to cost ratio, so thats why I wonder.

    Hope you can help.

    Kind regards,

    Henrik 

    P.S. Currently playing lvl59 Pings with a Play9 USGA ball which is 200cr.

     

  • joshcore
    27 Posts
    Fri, Mar 25 2016 5:38 AM

    great post. i'm trying to find out similar qualities for balls.

     

     

  • alosso
    21,042 Posts
    Fri, Mar 25 2016 5:50 AM

    Players have counted ball life way back in time, and they all lasted for 90 - 125 strokes. That is, except for putts on the green which are free (except in putting CTTH).

    So, durability 1 is said to be about 90 strokes, and 2.5 is about 120. But, newer ball types have not been counted yet.

    HenrikGF:
    Currently playing [...] Play9 USGA ball which is 200cr.

    Those special balls are a certain basic type (like Srixon or WGT types) with a fancy look and a higher price. It's either in their description or you have to compare them.

  • PaulTon
    10,731 Posts
    Fri, Mar 25 2016 5:51 AM

    I'm not sure about the durability numbers question but for decent performance and durability the best value balls are probably Srixon's and Callaway's.

  • HenrikGF
    10 Posts
    Fri, Mar 25 2016 1:29 PM

    How does spin affect length ? I have a notion that some balls dont play true to length, even the more expensive ones...

  • ApexPC
    3,164 Posts
    Fri, Mar 25 2016 1:43 PM

    A durability of 2.5 is 120 shots. Putts made on the green don't decrease durability & in practice mode choosing the Mulligan option decreases ball durability (even putts) by 2 shots instead of only 1 shot. See chart below. Also.  Do not under any circumstances use the forum Search feature.

    http://www.wgt.com/forums/search.aspx?q=ball%20durability

    There is no true length. The published distance of a club is an approximation because so many variable factors effect the actual distance a shot will go - full or partial swing, hit on Ding or missed the ding, wind speed & direction, ball spin setting, the terrain & surface where the ball lands.

    Top spin generally adds length because a ball rolls out further after landing.

    Back spin generally subtracts length by making the trajectory of the ball higher.

    Depending on the club, the wind, and the terrain. Hitting a Driver adding top spin usually will subtract length and using back spin will add length.

    Using top spin into the wind adds less length than using top spin with the wind.

    Using back spin against the wind subtracts even more length, and can make a shot using a short club back up A LOT more than you expect.

    As an example consider the tee shot at  #18 on St. Andrews. Many players hit driver off the tee with full top spin but use less than a full swing because they are trying to land the ball on the paved path that bisects the fairway as a way to get lots more distance on their drive. Accomplished players are often able to drive the green by doing that.

    The following ball durability chart chart was compiled earlier this year by a few members of The Peoples Club:

     

    Brand

    Ball

    Level-Tier

    Credits per Sleeve

    Durability

    Hits*

    9-hole round
    per ball**

    Credits per
    9-hole round

    Callaway

    Tour i(s)

    33+

    250

    2.5

    120

    5.70

    14.62

    Callaway

    Tour i(s)

    Legend+

    250

    2.0

    100

    4.66

    17.88

    Callaway

    Tour i(z)

    35+

    300

    2.5

    120

    5.70

    17.54

    Callaway

    Tour i(z)

    Legend+

    300

    2.0

    100

    4.66

    21.01

    Callaway

    Tour i(z) Slow Meter

    1+

    300

    2.5

    Callaway

    Tour i(z) Slow Meter

    34+

    450

    2.5

    MAX

    Slow Meter

    Hack+

    450

    2.0

    MAX

    Slow Meter

    Pro+

    600

    2.0

    Nike

    20XI-S

    47+

    400

    2.5

    120

    5.71

    23.35

    Nike

    20XI-S

    70+

    450

    2.5

    Nike

    20XI-X

    48+

    400

    2.5

    118

    5.62

    23.72

    Nike

    20XI-X

    71+

    450

    2.5

    Srixon

    Z-STAR

    11+

    180

    2.5

    120

    5.71

    10.5

    Srixon

    Z-STAR XV

    13+

    200

    2.5

    120

    5.71

    11.67

    Brand

    Ball

    Level-Tier

    Credits per Sleeve

    Durability

    Hits*

    9-hole round
    per ball**

    Credits per
    9-hole round

    WGT

    B-ES

    Any

    10

    2.0

    125

    5.95

    0.56

    WGT

    B-XD

    Any

    10

    2.5

    150

    7.14

    0.47

    WGT

    Tour-S

    Any

    43

    1.5

    100

    4.76

    3.01

    WGT

    GI-S

    Any

    44

    2.0

    120

    5.70

    2.57

    WGT

    GI-D

    Any

    49

    2.0

    WGT

    GI2-S

    Any

    64

    2.0

    125

    5.95

    3.59

    WGT

    GI2-D

    Any

    64

    1.5

    WGT

    Tour-SD

    Any

    65

    1.5

    110

    5.24

    4.13

    WGT

    Tour GI-S

    Any

    82

    1.0

    90

    4.28

    6.37

    WGT

    Tour GI-SD

    Any

    112

    1.0

    90

    4.28

    8.72

    WGT

    GI3-S

    Any

    99

    2.0

    125

    6.00

    5.5

    WGT

    GI3-D

    Any

    94

    1.5

    110

    5.24

    6.0

    WGT

    GI-SD2

    Legend+

    120

    1.0

    WGT

    GI2-SD2

    Legend+

    155

    1.5

    95

    4.52

    11.43

    WGT

    Starter Slow Meter

    Any

    100

    1.0

     

    * Putts do not count as hits & are not included, except putts from the fringe.

    ** Calculated based on 21 hits per 9-hole round (par 36 with 67% green-in-regulation).

    There are a few empty fields and the new Nike balls aren't listed, but I can atest to the accuracy of the statistics.

    As you can see, dots of durability as provided by WGT can be a bit inaccurate.

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

  • alosso
    21,042 Posts
    Fri, Mar 25 2016 1:56 PM

    +1

    Add the influence of the ball itself, in the "Distance" setting.

    I also noticed that bs seems to shorten a shot more when the target is at lower level.

  • pmm711
    5,532 Posts
    Fri, Mar 25 2016 2:17 PM

    ApexPC:

    A durability of 2.5 is 120 shots.

     

    The following ball durability chart chart was compiled earlier this year by a few members of The Peoples Club:

     

    Brand

    Ball

    Level-Tier

    Credits per Sleeve

    Durability

    Hits*

    9-hole round
    per ball**

    Credits per
    9-hole round

    Callaway

    Tour i(s)

    33+

    250

    2.5

    120

    5.70

    14.62

    Callaway

    Tour i(s)

    Legend+

    250

    2.0

    100

    4.66

    17.88

    Callaway

    Tour i(z)

    35+

    300

    2.5

    120

    5.70

    17.54

    Callaway

    Tour i(z)

    Legend+

    300

    2.0

    100

    4.66

    21.01

    Callaway

    Tour i(z) Slow Meter

    1+

    300

    2.5

    Callaway

    Tour i(z) Slow Meter

    34+

    450

    2.5

    MAX

    Slow Meter

    Hack+

    450

    2.0

    MAX

    Slow Meter

    Pro+

    600

    2.0

    Nike

    20XI-S

    47+

    400

    2.5

    120

    5.71

    23.35

    Nike

    20XI-S

    70+

    450

    2.5

    Nike

    20XI-X

    48+

    400

    2.5

    118

    5.62

    23.72

    Nike

    20XI-X

    71+

    450

    2.5

    Srixon

    Z-STAR

    11+

    180

    2.5

    120

    5.71

    10.5

    Srixon

    Z-STAR XV

    13+

    200

    2.5

    120

    5.71

    11.67

    Brand

    Ball

    Level-Tier

    Credits per Sleeve

    Durability

    Hits*

    9-hole round
    per ball**

    Credits per
    9-hole round

    WGT

    B-ES

    Any

    10

    2.0

    125

    5.95

    0.56

    WGT

    B-XD

    Any

    10

    2.5

    150

    7.14

    0.47

    WGT

    Tour-S

    Any

    43

    1.5

    100

    4.76

    3.01

    WGT

    GI-S

    Any

    44

    2.0

    120

    5.70

    2.57

    WGT

    GI-D

    Any

    49

    2.0

    WGT

    GI2-S

    Any

    64

    2.0

    125

    5.95

    3.59

    WGT

    GI2-D

    Any

    64

    1.5

    WGT

    Tour-SD

    Any

    65

    1.5

    110

    5.24

    4.13

    WGT

    Tour GI-S

    Any

    82

    1.0

    90

    4.28

    6.37

    WGT

    Tour GI-SD

    Any

    112

    1.0

    90

    4.28

    8.72

    WGT

    GI3-S

    Any

    99

    2.0

    125

    6.00

    5.5

    WGT

    GI3-D

    Any

    94

    1.5

    110

    5.24

    6.0

    WGT

    GI-SD2

    Legend+

    120

    1.0

    WGT

    GI2-SD2

    Legend+

    155

    1.5

    95

    4.52

    11.43

    WGT

    Starter Slow Meter

    Any

    100

    1.0

     

    * Putts do not count as hits & are not included, except putts from the fringe.

    ** Calculated based on 21 hits per 9-hole round (par 36 with 67% green-in-regulation).

    There are a few empty fields and the new Nike balls aren't listed, but I can atest to the accuracy of the statistics.

    As you can see, dots of durability as provided by WGT can be a bit inaccurate.

    Why does the WGT B-XD 10 credit ball with a durability index of 2.5 last 150 shots?

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

  • ApexPC
    3,164 Posts
    Sat, Mar 26 2016 1:12 PM

    pmm711:

    Why does the WGT B-XD 10 credit ball with a durability index of 2.5 last 150 shots?

    That list is probably a couple of years old now.

    Note that the Callaway Tour balls are no longer available.

    Since the list was compiled by The Peoples Club country club, accuracy of the numbers is not guaranteed. However, since that ball is a WGT ball it may be imbued with extra durability.

    Petition The Peoples Club to re-do the list.

     

  • SweetiePie
    4,925 Posts
    Sat, Mar 26 2016 4:17 PM

    Ball life is an interesting novelty stat to peruse, no doubt. However, I have long ago erased any thought toward it because I have zero control over it. If I somehow spend thought toward our ball choices, it is singularly about the ball performance with my play. Nothing else. Thoughts away from this seem to introduce thoughts that have nothing in common with quality of play. Prices and durability are considerations foreign to how the desired focus best works....in my opinion, of course.

    ~ SP ~ 

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