You're right the greens are not pretty at all. The course as a whole is great, but if you're not zoning those irons and wedges into a couple of yards, you won't make many putts. My first attempt was a withdrawl after a par at number one and taking the out of bounds on at number 2 (won't be doing that again) My second effort I was a little frustrated on the front 9, not taking advantage of the par 5's and only -2, however my wedge play was top notch on the back 9 and I ended up 7 birdies on the trot from 12-18, finishing at -9. Last 2 attempts have been very frustrating, withdrawing both times due to the silly indulating greens. I'm not asking for a change in the green slopes, but sometimes they are far too harsh. The 2nd shot to 12 tipping me over the edge is only a 85 yard shot, yet you can get to within a yard of the pin.. yet if you catch that slope it can fall back another 9 yards. The uphill putt you almost have to double the legnth of, even in championship speed. You'll have to be an excellent putter, or have the short game to stuff those wedges into a couple of feet.