TOPMIXER11:
I played a level 33 yesterday who scored 9 under on st Andrews Inc 2 eagles with heavy winds and very fast greens player had beginners clubs , and full swing edge level 6 apparel .when I looked at profile they had average 34 on all courses for 9 holes .was this a cheat ifso HOW
SimonTheBeetle:
You look even more suspicious, I mean... mysterious
Not really comparatively to the massive unknown numbers of long time original Mobile players . With MEGA experience not properly visible in stats . Who also may or may not be playing PCEA as well .
Hypothetically . The possibility that some are " innocent sandbaggers " . With no cause reason to divulge anything .
Mythanatos: It's a reroll. Which WGT is ok with as long as
they aren't playing multiple accounts at same time.
TOPMIXER11: re roll what does this mean .
Good question .
TopShelf2010:
Restart... player starts over with a different account APPROVED by WGT going through the proper channels.
Note: When starting over you begin again with nothing you had before... clubs/credits/balls/etc.
Mythanatos: It's a reroll. Which WGT is ok with as long as
they aren't playing multiple accounts at same time.
AnaNikolaj: Well, there were mixed info on that subject
from different mods. Including one that said WGT does not allow
restarting. But even the ones that said restarts were allowed, stated
players weren't allowed to play any credit involved tournaments, until
they reached the tier of their original account. Even WGT free tourneys
with credit prizes. Problem is, I really don't think they're able to
enforce this policy, at least not on a scale that'd make a difference.
But there were cases, where restarts were suddenly found out and
promoted a few tiers over night, only to be eventually banned some time
after that.
All good points . But are forgetting 1 very important part .
When WGT approves a restart . The restarter is told that the previous account will be deleted .
There fore a second ( known ) account would not be playable . This happens more times than not .
I know a few examples . I also know 1 in particular . 1 whom everyone else knows . That has gone through this process 4 times . Restart Hack to 1st TL . Then to Champion . Those were the highest levels at the time . And twice to T C . Legitimately .
The previous accounts deleted each time . In Flash PC . Where all stats are visible throughout the entire tier up journey .
If there are similar cases in the Mobile platform . No one would be aware of anything the player is currently doing .
hpurey: Would be interesting to know when this L33 player
joined WGT. They could have been someone with lots of game knowledge
that played before levels were a thing and started off at L30 and came
back after a long time away from WGT. If you're good enough it doesn't
take that long to get back into the swing of things (pun
intended).
Also another possibility and a good likely example .
SimonTheBeetle: However, a L33 player who scores -9 with the default beginner's gears (I assume that includes the putter) under the conditions of heavy winds and very fast greens does smell fishy, too.
Not . Sorry Simon . I play those types almost everyday . Some are too silent to respond to my innocent inquiries about how long they have been playing . Or does he like his hybrid . Or you do know that better equipment really makes this game funner and easier .
Some will talk a little . " About 5 years " or " Hybrid , why do you ask ? " or " Yeah , thought about it , can't really afford it . "
So I sometimes go to their profile to find that most have been playing for several years or much longer .
But obviously did not peruse the forums . Like we did . Because in the Mobile platform . It is/was an isolated single player atmosphere . With the exception of coins . With no emphasis on directing anyone towards the WGT UNIVERSE or the Forums .
So that is part of my point . Whether or not they knew full well that there was/is an already established protocol .
They are protected by " PLAUSIBLE DENIABILITY " . What they don't know or can easily claim not to know . Won't hurt them .
And hindsight is 20/20 . But even before that . This whole grey area of unknown stats and experience . Could have been addressed . At the outset of the Mobile platform . Eliminating today's uncertainty and the debates on who what and how much .
But here we are . In a place where there are even more possible scenarios than mentioned here . And no way to prove anything .
SimonTheBeetle: I think there are very very few
genuinely "new" players who are coming into this game now. I firmly
suspect most of them are restarters either legitimate or (mostly) illegitimate.
SimonTheBeetle: One of the indications is... how often
do you see someone asking about the game play (putting, shot making,
calculations, etc.) these days in the forums? Almost none! There are, of
course, already sufficient data & info gathered & posted over
the years, but I doubt they would search and find them all right away
without consulting us the precedents. That was the only thing I was
doing in the forums at my early stage : asking questions after questions
on the game play.
So I contend that none of them are cheating and are protected by the lack of the host to prevent all of this .
