astro99:I recently played a stroke play on the front
nine of Bethpage Black against a Tour Champion and another Legend
player. I won the round and both forfeited on the last putt of the
round. What is the reason for doing that? Is it a way to not have the
round count?
There are several reasons for doing that .
alosso: Yes, players "protect" their averages.
Of course they do . It is a part of the game and there are strategies .
I'm not even going to quote what Sam said . Wow . Stressed much lately Sam ?
This is how I see it . There are correct and strategical reasons for doing that .
Or some think " They sure showed you for beating them " . Might be their only reason .Not even knowing how WGT works .
But others . May not be saturated .
In regular Stroke Play rounds . Ranked Rounds . That is where the final score has the most impact on ones average .
Even more so in single play tournaments .And Brackets .
A score higher than ones average . Will move up the average . Unless of course you have saturated .
But there are a steady amount of non saturated players . Playing Moving up in tiers . And restarting the effort to become saturated .Many of them everyday .
So every ranked multiplayer and Tournament round . Until saturation . Has potential for late exit .
Those rounds also count in the " Game Completion Percentage " . Too many late exits will quickly get you an orange status .
Many players avoid or play fewer , say Stroke Brackets . So as to not get caught in a position of withdrawing or forfeiting to save your average from going up . Not to mention the Bracket organizers and participants get a little irate with withdrawlers .
That is why the genius format ." Single Player Unlimited Play Ranked Rounds " . Was invented .
In that format . Is the only Ranked Round format that the " Game Completion Percentage " . Is disabled . No uncompleted round counts for anything .
One can play hundreds of " Single Player Unlimited Play Ranked Rounds ". Quit before the 9th or 18th hole . Or any hole . And it/those rounds will not count for anything .
The only round that counts in a " Single Player Unlimited Play Ranked Round " . Is the rounds (s) you finish .
Really I don't know what their own reasons for quitting before the end of the round . Could be they don't know any of the above or care to know . And are just plain poor losers .
I was aware of all of that coming up .. Played a hellalot of those " Single Player Unlimited Play Ranked Rounds ".
But I also played tons of " Join a game " and " Create a game " . 2 , 3 , 4 , player Stroke Play .Another GR8 format . Where you get to play Ranked Rounds vs your peers . Most times new stranger / unknown players that are pretty damn good .This is your chance step up , prove to yourself . See how much all those " Single Player Unlimited Play Ranked Round " That you zoned out in for all those , seemed like years ( might have been ) . In your Country Cub . Has paid off . Those multiplayer rounds are terrific .
Wasn't big on Single Play . Until I was saturated . Then I would play some . And a lot of Brackets .
Here is another misnomer .
SamSpayed: There are lots of red-tee Champions and Tour
Champions out there. Seems to be a thing for some people. Best advice I
can give you is just take satisfaction in knowing that you're a better
player than they are, and don't sink to their level.
Way back when . When I started hearing this . It sounded like these players were playing red tees exclusively . Their only objective was to get butt loads of low scores . Moving quickly up to Champion and Tour Champion .Most people assuming that these so called " Red Tee Players " . Weren't any good .
SamSpayed: knowing that you're a better player than they are, and don't sink to their level.
I say BS again . I was a CC Owner for 6 years . A very aware , active owner . I saw a higher turn over than probably any other owner . With over 700 players passing through our CC . Many reasons for that . It was expected .
We also had a very active CC Forum . Red Tee CC Tourneys was one of thousands of topics . There were many in favor of running some Red Tee tourneys periodically . Some were opposed to having more than 1 per month or a few per year . But no one was in favor of having them steady enough for them to be abused .
There were a couple few that when they were at Legend level . They went off and made their own little secret Red Tee CC . Knocked out a bunch of them and tiered up to Tour Legend . Deleted their little CC and returned to VOTSCC . Accepted with open arms and congratulated .
These players . And some of the regular CC members that played a few Red Tee tourneys now and then . Were no slouches on the long tees . No they were very studied and versatile in all aspects of the game . Well rounded . A force to be reckoned with .
Dozens of these players . Most have moved on and around . And are valid Champions and Tour Champions to be sure .
That is what I /we saw and experienced regarding Red Tees . Some may have played a lot . But they all have a strong long game as well .
Now I know that there is proof out there that people have proof that certain players absolutely abused that Red Tee format . In big ways to tier up much faster .
Some consider that cheating . They also assume that these players would not have a long game . And there's the proof that they are below everyone else .
Well I contend that if there really are some of these Long Tee challenged players out there . Then there has to be a very small number of them . An insignificant unmentionable , non threatening to anyone minority of them .
And by the way . Do you critics actually play against them ? Do you win by like over 9 strokes a round ? Because they can't even reach the fairway ?
No way there are more than a handful . If any . Surviving at Champion or Tour Champion for very long .
Playing Red Tees . And consistently getting lower scores . Enough to actually be able to tier up faster . Could only be possible for a very small number of players . You have to be damn good .It is not a given .
There are a GR8 and I mean a lot of us WGTers . That play our asses off . As much as any of the best . That got it like that .
But we can play red tees . And get the same bad score as on the long tees . Red tees don't put that ball in the hole .
This above I have witnessed first hand . And I believe is more true than other perspectives on the matter .
jacktrade51: there was a player who played nothing but St.A
short tees, got to TL (Champ/TC didn't exist then) and quit the
game.
Yes we all knew 1 or 2 of those . Still a miniscule minority . Not a threat to anyone .
I saw and predicted that when we had those occasional bursts of the hardcore Gamers . Flying through the tiers . That the first 500 rounds to saturate . Would be the end for them . And that's what happened . There were hundreds of them . When it finally got real . They disappeared forever .
For the most part .
Again . A small minority . Stayed on . Got hooked . loved the game . Just like us . And stayed .
