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Is this game fixed

• pdb1 24,758 Posts

  Thu, Jan 20 2022 2:56 PM

  Is this game fixed

  BrianCheese:

  What are peoples thoughts on WGT being weighted in favour of people who spend money on their product?

  I've played the game for many years, but have never had the inclination to spend money on it because it lacks consistency; doesn't work the same on differing machines and in my opinion prevents you from scoring low unless you've spent money on WGT products.

  I want to be brief and maybe I missed it . But I didn't see VEM mentioned yet . This game is controlled/fixed by an amazing program .

  From your first rounds where it widens your sweet spot allowing you to catch on faster . And as you move up and get better it primes you and teases you and starts narrowing that sweet spot . All along subtly giving you notions to improve your equipment . Whether you do or not is completely up to you .

  As one gets better . The VEM is always there . Ever so faint . But adjusting just enough so that the perfect round or game is never quite achieved . Giving the very top players the idea that it is just around the corner . They continue to try .

  That is a very brief and short explanation . It is a genius program . And is why this game is so precise and technically challenging .

  I am sure that just by virtue of it being my post . Many will decline this explanation .

  I have read the entire VEM Patent several times . There are so many more applications beyond what I said above .

  Spending money on better equipment is a given . As a struggling citizen like any other . I can and have justified every penny I have spent on equipment . All in all . It really is very little . I have no idea how spending a couple hundred dollars over a long enjoyable period of time spent playing this unique game . Could be a bad thing . You would never miss the money . You can't take it with you .

  Please enjoy .

  

  Search VEM in this forums search .

  

• 8802 3,869 Posts

  Thu, Jan 20 2022 5:51 PM

  Mythanatos:

  Set of the week tourneys were a great way to test your ability without club advantages.

  That they are.  Funny how quickly our club's leaderboards change when it's a SOTW tournament.

• Tombstonetom 3 Posts

  Thu, Jan 20 2022 8:30 PM

  I agree totally with you, Brian. It is fun to play, but, like the old saying goes, " A fool and his money are soon parted", if you spend any money on this game!! 

• PureGro1 1,559 Posts

  Fri, Jan 21 2022 9:25 AM

  pdb1:

  I am sure that just by virtue of it being my post . Many will decline this explanation .

  I have read the entire VEM Patent several times . There are so many more applications beyond what I said above .

  If you believe its VEM that these players are talking about then how do you explain those of us (Its a large number) that post fairly consistent scores across courses and conditions?

  I wont debate VEM but it is not whats causing these players to shoot 35 or worse on every course they play, Thinking it is may become the reason they dont get better though.

  8802:

  That they are.  Funny how quickly our club's leaderboards change when it's a SOTW tournament.

  Of course it does, It negates the hours people spend mapping clubs on different courses.

• Mythanatos 2,164 Posts

  Fri, Jan 21 2022 3:47 PM

  something like 95% of all patents are never commercialized.  VEM is more than likely an idea that never saw reality.

  and  the continued success of the same individuals in tournaments time and time again indicates that.

  it does however seem to exist as an excuse for inconsistent players.

   

• bwsq 86 Posts

  Tue, Feb 22 2022 10:57 AM

  I will ask the OP the same as I ask others who insist the game is fixed:  Let's see some evidence to back up your claims.  Video or copious notes please.

• ct690911 7,004 Posts

  Tue, Feb 22 2022 12:29 PM

  bwsq:

  I will ask the OP the same as I ask others who insist the game is fixed:  Let's see some evidence to back up your claims.  Video or copious notes please.

  I agree with the above post. I don't even understand what "fixed" means. You play against an opponent; sometimes they win and sometimes you win. If you are playing solo stroke, what incentive would there be for wgt (or any company) to "fix" the game so a paying customer has a miserable time?. 

  The only thing wgt should be fixing are all the glitches. Then many of the players (like yours truly) would return. From what I've read in numerous posts, the way it is now makes for a frustrating experience.

  ct

• pdb1 24,758 Posts

  Tue, Feb 22 2022 12:32 PM

  pdb1:

  I want to be brief and maybe I missed it . But I didn't see VEM mentioned yet . This game is controlled/fixed by an amazing program .

  From your first rounds where it widens your sweet spot allowing you to catch on faster . And as you move up and get better it primes you and teases you and starts narrowing that sweet spot . All along subtly giving you notions to improve your equipment . Whether you do or not is completely up to you .

  As one gets better . The VEM is always there . Ever so faint . But adjusting just enough so that the perfect round or game is never quite achieved . Giving the very top players the idea that it is just around the corner . They continue to try .

  That is a very brief and short explanation . It is a genius program . And is why this game is so precise and technically challenging .

  Mythanatos:

  something like 95% of all patents are never commercialized.  VEM is more than likely an idea that never saw reality.

  and  the continued success of the same individuals in tournaments time and time again indicates that.

  it does however seem to exist as an excuse for inconsistent players.

  It figures you would be so closed , negative , and ignorant . There is no dispute that the program is VEM based . And is the reason(s) for its many successes . Including assisting beginners . And allowing the highly skilled to play so amazingly . But with a limit that controls it to just below perfection . No dispute . The inventor of the game is famous for the depth of its implementation .

  bwsq:

  I will ask the OP the same as I ask others who insist the game is fixed:  Let's see some evidence to back up your claims.  Video or copious notes please.

  Depending on ones definition of fixed . The above has fixed this game in so many ways . All of the tantalizing references and suggestions for ball sales and equipment is factored in . And is the same VEM methods used in Casinos world wide . Among other sports gaming .

• Mythanatos 2,164 Posts

  Tue, Feb 22 2022 12:59 PM

  Like I said, if you need an excuse for poor and/or inconsistent play. 

• SamSpayed 4,444 Posts

  Tue, Feb 22 2022 1:50 PM

  ct690911:

  The only thing wgt should be fixing are all the glitches. Then many of the players (like yours truly) would return.

  Agreed.  Their development team needs to be fixing bugs, not doing stupid stuff like re-working the My Tournaments page (and screwing that up too), that nobody asked for.