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Re: Reading the putt break: Help

Tue, Jul 27 2021 7:13 AM (26 replies)
  • pdiehm
    211 Posts
    Mon, Jul 19 2021 4:03 PM

    BWerthy:

    pdiehm:

    That said, when I get a 6-8' putt, there's probably a better than 90% chance I'm going to miss it.  And that's the frustrating part of this.  You can approach on average to 2 yards, but if you can't seal the deal, then it's worthless to approach well

     

    Hi pdiehm,

    mobile only player here. Im not a great player or putter, have only been playing this crazy game one year and a few months and so I feel I still have a lot to learn.  

    For me it is the uphill putts.  An uphill putt breaking the whole way does not break the same way a downhill putt does. It isn’t half or “just mark it less than you would a downhill”. It is all experience and practice. And I miss those routinely in the same range but usually mine are fast breaking uphill putts  

    I had a rough time back in September where nothing was working.  I did the dot counting using Naturali’s method.  dot counting takes so long but it helped me see where the aiming line was laying across the breaks. I don’t use it anymore but it helped me get to a point where I am less frustrated by the 6-8’ uphill breaking putt that grazes the lip or just flat out misses.    

    but for me, I prefer a downhill putt most of the time.  Uphill putts just look weird to me and I have learned how to use that to my advantage.

    I have one more piece of advice.  Download the Omlet arcade app and follow GoShooterMcGavin.   Dude is an iPad player and plays with no aids.  Just some math in his head for putts. He is fricking amazing to watch. And I have learned a lot just from watching him play, oh and when he is having a good day, he doesn’t miss many putts.   

    Just stay positive :) you got this. :) 

    Since July 3, i have been tracking putts.  I'm averaging 1.4 putts per hole and 59% 1 putt.  both very respectable numbers (today I am 1.27 putts per hole and 69% 1-putt on 13/14 greens).  

     

    But the putt that i have missed consistently today is this one:

     

    7.1' 

    Down 2.4"

    13 greens.  

     

    The math says hit it 36% on my 10 foot putt scale.  But i'm falling woefully short of the cup, and miss low.  this is a problem from about 4.5' to about 9' for me, though it's primarily between 4-7'

     

    No idea what to do or how to aim those as if I hit harder, I miss high and have a 15' (or more) par save.  

  • Dex000
    103 Posts
    Tue, Jul 20 2021 12:09 AM

    My math says to hit that putt 41% on a 10 ft scale.

    Sounds like it's the formula you're using. 

  • MasterHacker74
    63 Posts
    Tue, Jul 20 2021 8:29 AM

    Go into practice mode and use a combination of putt preview and mulligans until you get the right pace & line.  For that particular putt you may be a bit light on the power... I hit that putt between 39% and 46% on a 10 foot scale.

  • Yiannis1970
    2,510 Posts
    Tue, Jul 20 2021 10:02 AM

    pdiehm:

    BWerthy:

    pdiehm:

    That said, when I get a 6-8' putt, there's probably a better than 90% chance I'm going to miss it.  And that's the frustrating part of this.  You can approach on average to 2 yards, but if you can't seal the deal, then it's worthless to approach well

     

    Hi pdiehm,

    mobile only player here. Im not a great player or putter, have only been playing this crazy game one year and a few months and so I feel I still have a lot to learn.  

    For me it is the uphill putts.  An uphill putt breaking the whole way does not break the same way a downhill putt does. It isn’t half or “just mark it less than you would a downhill”. It is all experience and practice. And I miss those routinely in the same range but usually mine are fast breaking uphill putts  

    I had a rough time back in September where nothing was working.  I did the dot counting using Naturali’s method.  dot counting takes so long but it helped me see where the aiming line was laying across the breaks. I don’t use it anymore but it helped me get to a point where I am less frustrated by the 6-8’ uphill breaking putt that grazes the lip or just flat out misses.    

    but for me, I prefer a downhill putt most of the time.  Uphill putts just look weird to me and I have learned how to use that to my advantage.

    I have one more piece of advice.  Download the Omlet arcade app and follow GoShooterMcGavin.   Dude is an iPad player and plays with no aids.  Just some math in his head for putts. He is fricking amazing to watch. And I have learned a lot just from watching him play, oh and when he is having a good day, he doesn’t miss many putts.   

    Just stay positive :) you got this. :) 

    Since July 3, i have been tracking putts.  I'm averaging 1.4 putts per hole and 59% 1 putt.  both very respectable numbers (today I am 1.27 putts per hole and 69% 1-putt on 13/14 greens).  

     

    But the putt that i have missed consistently today is this one:

     

    7.1' 

    Down 2.4"

    13 greens.  

     

    The math says hit it 36% on my 10 foot putt scale.  But i'm falling woefully short of the cup, and miss low.  this is a problem from about 4.5' to about 9' for me, though it's primarily between 4-7'

     

    No idea what to do or how to aim those as if I hit harder, I miss high and have a 15' (or more) par save.  

     

    Sometimes the indications (up/down, red - green) are wrong. To decide what should be your final speed, you need to hit the arrow in the right side and open the putt line in vertical axis. Sometimes you 'll see there that meanwhile you have a downhiller at your feet, the putt ends up hill close the cup. So, in these cases you need to play more.

     

  • Cicero733
    1,117 Posts
    Tue, Jul 20 2021 11:11 AM

    Yiannis1970:
    The math says hit it 36% on my 10 foot putt scale.  But i'm falling woefully short of the cup, and miss low.  this is a problem from about 4.5' to about 9' for me, though it's primarily between 4-7'

    I was experiencing the same issue on 13 greens a few months back. Like you I was coming up short with some rather exaggerated breaks. What I was noticing was that my putts were not traveling the distance I hit for. I would hit for 5’, the putt would trickle off the putter face, and rarely make it to the hole. My solution was for putts 6’ or less to disregard the math and use the actual physical distance to the hole. So if my putt is 6’ long, I hit for 6’. Plus at those speeds I will usually align my breaking putts no further out than the edge of the cup. I do make some mental adjustments especially if it is a steep downhill putt and maybe take one-half foot of distance off. And yes there are exceptions especially at places like Merion or Oakmont, but it has been working for me and my putting stats overall have remained fairly consistent and I play mostly all ranked rounds with 13 greens (1.25 average putts per hole, 73.75% one putts).

    My biggest problem at the moment is putts inside 4’. For some unknown reason they will come off the putter face at a 45° angle and miss by huge margins. I have had a number of 2’ putts hit for 4’ that have missed the hole by 6” or more.

  • pdiehm
    211 Posts
    Tue, Jul 27 2021 3:13 AM

    I don't understand.  Can you clarify?  You're talking about seeing which way the grain is going?  if it's going against you, then you have to hit a little more, or if it's away from you, a little less, then push the break out a touch more.

  • pdb1
    22,500 Posts
    Tue, Jul 27 2021 7:13 AM

      I read everything these forums say about putting . I have watched some of the best/popular tutorials . I struggled severely for most of my 10 years here .

      One thing was I wasn't born with that " golfing feel for the break " That many are lucky enough to have from the start . Even with some IRL golf experience 40 years ago . Then 5 years of TW PC ver. ??? Then I found WGT .

      The 73,372 recorded putts is probably 1/3 rd of the real total . With non ranked rounds . And years and years of 8.5 hole rounds that ended in disconnects .

      Basically because of my putting I am stuck a Legend forever . Even though for the last year I have been playing coin rounds . Over 400 . My putting has improved dramatically .

      I now have some of that feel for the break . I do a half and halfer , move the aimer less then I should , then barely miss the ding on the high side . This is much more successful for me .

      For most faster greens I still calculate . My calcs are an old method . That works for me . Champ / by 1.45 , Tourney / by 1.35  Very fast / by 1.25 Fast / by 1.05 . If I calculated at all . The putter pal aimer bar ( or whatever it is called ) is fairly accurate . Of course it's a little different for each green speed . And doesn't convert to my preferred meter most of the time .

      Since I no longer can use the avatar increments . I never saw a good explanation for calculating with %'s .

      Too bad the stats can't be viewed in the Coin rooms . So I could see my improvement . No matter .

      Even with the fun and the seemingly success with the coins . I still haven't veered back to the TL track . Just not important anymore .

      In 2016 I could no longer use hard wire , high speed , ethernet , internet . Because of demographics . I live in a known dead WiFi area of the desert .

      That was the end of quality WGT PC play for me .

      I have the TMobile built in WiFi on my tablet . That feeds my WiFi/Bluetooth adapter on my PC . The TMobile  sucks for WGT . It won't work .

      So I use the HughesNet Satellite WiFi for WGT . It barely loads it up .

    I have to walk outside with my phone if I want any download to get done within a couple minutes .

      My PC is worse . But I ain't taking it outside lol . But going outside only improves it slightly anyway .

      That has a lot to do with performance and response and smoothness and consistency . In fact it is not even worth it .

      But the coins are fun . And good practice . And good experience .This was the final for the week ending 7.25 . That's with winning only 9,880 coins per round . 10,000 entry then 9,880 with 5/5 set bonus .

      So I'm having fun anyway .

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