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Re: WGT's posts on VEM

Sun, Nov 22 2020 7:55 AM (18 replies)
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  • DodgyPutter
    4,690 Posts
    Wed, Nov 18 2020 2:08 PM

    You're right Yiannis we wont agree and I can't say more than has been said on your shots.

  • YankeeJim
    25,827 Posts
    Wed, Nov 18 2020 2:34 PM

    Yiannis1970:
    Have you seen the carry with the same shot? 255 yds against 244? 11 yds of difference on the same shot?

    Yup and this explains why..........Plus that TM ball  plays like it has a cotton center. If you don't believe that, play a sleeve of 81 Titleists.

    "Have you ever wondered why is it that  your shot can be dead on pin on one shot and other times completely off?  It's because the game is designed that way! Golfing on WGT is based upon mathematical algorithms that create everything from the shot to the ball roll out when it hits. Unlike real golf, mathematical algorithms have no variances. To create these variances WGT has employed such things as VEM, precision and forgiveness into the model to simulate or re-create those effects that every real golfer knows all too well that affect their shots.

    The two factors that will affect your shot outcome the most are precision and forgiveness.  Each and every club on WGT has a 5 dot rating for each of these categories. Using the picture below let’s say that precision is left and right of the pin location and forgiveness is long or short of the pins location. While the exact distance that each dot represents is not known for this example let’s say that a club with zero dots on forgiveness and precision represents 20 feet for each circle.

    During each and every shot these 2 circles overlap.  Each shot has multiple outcomes 1. You could be dead on with distance, but up to 20 feet left or right of the hole. 2. You could be dead the hole but 20 feet long or short of the hole. 3. You could be up to20 feet long and left of the hole…..4, 5, 6, etc. I think you get the point!.

     Now, using the example below let’s say that each dot added to the club represents 2 feet. The more dots a club has the tighter the circle becomes.  If each dot represents 2 feet we now have reduced our circles from 20 feet down to 10 feet in our example.  I know there are some on here that believe that WGT or the game selectively goes after them individually, this is either pure arrogance or narcissistic at best.

     As you can see, with precision and forgiveness coming in to play on each shot, it doesn't matter if we ding the shot or not these variables will always affect the shot. Like many of you I have on occasion missed the ding by a decent amount and still came up with a great shot as well as the complete opposite.  I am sure if each of you think back you have had the same happen to you. "

    Courtesy of SgtBilko, Dec 12, 2012.

  • Yiannis1970
    3,269 Posts
    Wed, Nov 18 2020 3:39 PM

    As i told you on the other thread Jim, keep believing whatever you like....and i am ready to apologize if you prove me what scientific base have all these nice circles you post everytime we discuss about vem...just an arbitrary hypothesis (arbitrary cause he does not make any reference on certain clubs and their characteristics and hypothetical cause his numbers which use as reference are random) of a certain member 8 years back (with clubs at that era with precision 1,5!!) and you post it and repost it every time like if it is the supreme gospel...

     

    But even so...let's see: ''The more dots a club has the tighter the circle becomes''

    ''If each dot represents 2 feet we now have reduced our circles from 20 feet down to 10 feet in our example.''

     

    Is enough obvious what i am about to say now or we can let it in peace?

     


  • YankeeJim
    25,827 Posts
    Wed, Nov 18 2020 4:55 PM

    LOL. Think I'll join the Dodgy club, you just don't want to understand the math and probabilities no matter who tells you.

    NWS, carry on.  :-)

  • BolloxInBruges
    1,389 Posts
    Wed, Nov 18 2020 6:36 PM

    Wow you guys are still talking about this *** 10 years later lol.

  • twinponds169
    3,018 Posts
    Wed, Nov 18 2020 8:01 PM

    BolloxInBruges:
    Wow you guys are still talking about this *** 10 years later lol.

    Now I don't care who you are, ^^^^^^^^, that is flipping funny right there...lmao

  • Yiannis1970
    3,269 Posts
    Thu, Nov 19 2020 1:05 AM

    YankeeJim:

    LOL. Think I'll join the Dodgy club, you just don't want to understand the math and probabilities no matter who tells you.

    NWS, carry on.  :-)

     

    You call random numbers (with no explanation whatsoever) and sketches (with no explanation whatsoever) math?? 

    :) :)

     

  • dedBuNNy
    1,919 Posts
    Fri, Nov 20 2020 8:02 AM

    BolloxInBruges:

    Wow you guys are still talking about this *** 10 years later lol.

    Best reply on here... Thread should be locked and this be the last comment on the subject.

    lmfao! :-))

     

  • HenryKawa
    1,721 Posts
    Sun, Nov 22 2020 7:55 AM

    Wow.   All that stuff is way over my head.   I guess I am not as smart as I thought I was, and that everyone gives me credit for.  "They" say I am the Smartest WGT Player of all time.  Now I'm not sure about that.   

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