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Three ideas to stop cheaters (really)

Wed, Oct 19 2011 11:43 AM by andyson. 29 replies.
  • WojciechMigda Poland
    158 Posts
    Sun, Feb 14 2010 2:25 AM

    Hi WGT,

    This morning I came up with few ideas that I'd like to share with you and which are feasible for implementation (maybe some are already there?)

    One of the major concerns of the fair players is the use of the "clicking" software by the cheaters for shot execution. There are two factors which are the basis of these programs that are subjet of my proposal: relying on exact timing of the meter and the need of direct operation by the user.

    1. Exact timing.

    Two things can be done:

    a) Slight random delays after release of the mouse button at the end of the backswing. The mechanics of the implemented backswing model is that the user drags the mouse cursor away from the meter with the left mouse button pressed. When the desired power of the swing is reached the button is released and the meter begins the downswing motion. A slight random delay before the meter downswing action will ruin the timing. For a human user (or rather his brain) such tiny delay will not be a factor.

    b) Slight speed deviations of the meter. The meter descends at the certain speed being a derivative of the selected club and used ball parameters. Initial value of this meter speed could be varied with a random parameter being added.

    v(t) = meter_model(v_0 + rand, t)

    where:

    t - time,

    v_0 - initial speed parameter,

    rand - random value, determined once at the start of the swing,

    meter_model - function to calculate the meter speed at the moment t,

    I assume that variation at the level of at most 5% will be enough not to affect human brain but ti hinder using of the cheating software.

    2. Need of operation.

    For the cheating software to work it has to be operated. This means that the focus of the windows will be changed - for some time it will be the browser window used to actually play the game, for the other it might be a cheating program.

    The game could have an indication for each player participating in the scored game whether his/her browser window has got a focus or not (green/red dot, repsectively). This mechanism was already applied years ago in the online scrabble(tm) game available in Poland. Scrabble is prone to cheating too, since anagraming software can be utilized. Such focus indications have become a commonly accepted mechanism of detecting non-fair users.

    Of course sparse occurences of lost focus might not be a direct indication of cheating, but once a given player will be recognized for abnormally high rate of changing window focus during scored play (esp. before tough shots) his reputation will be taken care of on the forums right away ;)

    Thanks for reading this to the end,

    BR,

    Wojciech

  • seveking Spain
    978 Posts
    Sun, Feb 14 2010 6:14 AM

    "One of the major concerns of the fair players is the use of the "clicking" software by the cheaters for shot execution."

    CORRECTION: One of the major conerns for a small number of players who generally can´t get any better than 66/67 and, therefore, think that nobody else should be able to, is the use of the clicking software by the supposed "cheaters" for shot execution.

  • GITrDONE United States
    701 Posts
    Sun, Feb 14 2010 6:32 AM

    WojciechMigda:
    A slight random delay before the meter downswing action will ruin the timing

     

    My meter already works like that.It never seems to go the same speed everytime.if someones using cheat codes please tell me how.The meter is to inconsistent to be able to apply an app to it.

    When I got to a point in the game inwhich progress started to lag,I too was under the impression that somebody must be cheating to get their average that low.

    Now I'm under the impression that those guys are damn good and put in more playing time and work time than I do or they are just better than I am at this game,it's not the end of the world if I never finish in first.I'm happy being in the top ten every now and then.Don't get me wrong I would love to be in first place atleast once but if I don't it won't be because I was cheated out of it.I just don't think they cheating.

  • WojciechMigda Poland
    158 Posts
    Sun, Feb 14 2010 6:44 AM

    The number of complainers is irrelevant. The topic of this discussion is the precautions which WGT can take to hinder those who become interested in using such software. Similar concerns have been discussed in many thread in this forum, but I haven't yet found specific proposals of action. This is merely my attempt to help WGT in assuring their customers that they are doing the best they can with respect to that.

    WGT has been attacked many times for neglecting players voices. I am tired of complainers too. But if we want to get rid of them then we need to work together. Are you willing to help ?

  • andyson United States
    2,387 Posts
    Sun, Feb 14 2010 6:45 AM

    Are you saying you wouldn't be able to check e-mail, read the forums, look at your notes in Excel or Word, send PMs, paste a screenshot into Photoshop, check the weather forecast and sports scores, play TWO, chat in mIRC, or any of the hundreds of other things normally done during a ranked round?

  • WojciechMigda Poland
    158 Posts
    Sun, Feb 14 2010 6:51 AM

    andyson:
    Are you saying you wouldn't be able to check e-mail, read the forums, look at your notes in Excel or Word, send PMs, paste a screenshot into Photoshop, check the weather forecast and sports scores, play TWO, chat in mIRC, or any of the hundreds of other things normally done during a ranked round?

    lol, I don't know whose meter would survive doing what you've listed here :)

  • VanHalenLover United States
    1,422 Posts
    Sun, Feb 14 2010 8:40 AM

    I like the idea of a random timing change after the mouse release event for the back swing, as long as the meter speed itself is not changed from what the default speed is. This would take care of auto-click software, which is based on timing and not a coordinated positional click based on screen location. Basically, delay the start of the swing meter randomly, but then everything else is the same according to WGT's swing calculation based on lie, club, tier, etc.

    I also have the same concerns about the 'focus' portion of these suggestions. I too can't imagine anyone using all of these  and agree that it would cause all too many swing meter issues, but I also believe the majority of users have a valid need to change focus at some point during a round, possibly numerous times - I know I do.

  • AlaCowboy United States
    838 Posts
    Sun, Feb 14 2010 9:02 AM

    VanHalenLover:

    I like the idea of a random timing change after the mouse release event for the back swing, as long as the meter speed itself is not changed from what the default speed is. This would take care of auto-click software, which is based on timing and not a coordinated positional click based on screen location. Basically, delay the start of the swing meter randomly, but then everything else is the same according to WGT's swing calculation based on lie, club, tier, etc.

    I also have the same concerns about the 'focus' portion of these suggestions. I too can't imagine anyone using all of these  and agree that it would cause all too many swing meter issues, but I also believe the majority of users have a valid need to change focus at some point during a round, possibly numerous times - I know I do.

    Doesn't the swing meter change the precision tolerance based on the length of time the swing it's held back prior to clicking? This "random" pause will then affect that. Let's just leave this alone for now and think about it some more.

  • Kosei82 United States
    144 Posts
    Sun, Feb 14 2010 9:12 AM

    This whole cheating thing is getting out of hand lately..seems like people are assuming b/c they cant score great no one else should/can. W/ this auto click timer thing..not sure great that would work here..since my meter never is "smooth" always has a few wobbles or freezes during a round wich makes me take a "practice swing" and sometimes i cant even catch that.. and if u used the "timer click"  it'd just click on that curtain time.. also what about none full shots? the meter doesnt move at the same speed when u dont use full power.....maybe a way to keep the cheaters away is just keep a crazy meter :o) but i know ive played w/ some of the best on this site...and nothing is perfect about their game to make me think they cheat in any way. Plus the way ive improved alot on this game isnt just finding the "ding" but putting.and not sure how the timer would improve that.. I think some people should spend more time playing the game then complaining..but thats just me..Happy Vday :)

  • VanHalenLover United States
    1,422 Posts
    Mon, Feb 15 2010 9:10 AM

    AlaCowboy:
    Doesn't the swing meter change the precision tolerance based on the length of time the swing it's held back prior to clicking? This "random" pause will then affect that. Let's just leave this alone for now and think about it some more.

    I don't think the length of time the swing is held changes anything. The swing speeds are specific to the users equipment (clubs and balls), and this speed should be preserved as it is the users reward for upgrading. 

    This suggestion was specific to adding a random delay PRIOR to the start of the swing meter, to help defeat cheating software, but it certainly can't override the equipment specific swing meter speed.

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