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CTTH club, lie performance bug

Wed, Sep 14 2011 3:15 PM by oilyrag. 6 replies.
  • tibbets United States
    1,043 Posts
    Thu, Oct 22 2009 10:26 PM

    We've been down this road before, but it continues to be true:  The way the clubs act in CTTH play do not mirror the results of how the same clubs perform in Stroke Play(or Match Play).  All too often I end up with shots that go far beyond or far below how I know these clubs to perform.

    In addition, you have lie modifiers that just don't exist anywhere else in the game. There's no such thing as a 10-15% rough lie, no such thing as 50-60% sand, no such thing as 2-5% fairway lie etc.  I know that in the previous CTTH courses, this was explained by WGT as being necessary to make a certain type of shot work and couldn't be altered.  However, on all of these newer courses that have come out, the otherwise non-exisitent lies continue to be used, and it makes for erratic gameplay.

    For instance, there is a shot on Pinehurst, hole #7,  it's 92 yards away, up 3 ft, with a 10-15% lie.  Now, in stroke play I can use a 98 yd wedge out of 30-40% rough and have it go just as far as it does out of the 10-15% rough in CTTH.  This makes no sense at all, and just adds to the inconsistency. Hole # 3 Pinehurst, 140 yds away from level ground, the flag is up 12 ft.  I hit my 145 club(8iron) with neutral spin and it carries 140 yds in the air and then rolls another 10yds.  If I set myself up at Bethpage hole # 1 from 140 yds away, up only 2 ft, and attempt the same shot, the ball typically carries between 138 and 140 yds and rolls 5yds.  Theres an additional 3 yards of elevation at Pinehurst, but the ball carries as far or farther in the air than it does at Bethpage.  This is just another example of how the club performance at CTTH is skewed.

    These otherwise non-existent lies really need to go away, and the club sets need to be made to perform like they do in the other modes of play.  I will continue to consider these CTTH competitions bugged until these issues are remedied.  It's been going on for far too long now, and with all the new courses being added there's just no excuse for it anymore.

  • tibbets United States
    1,043 Posts
    Fri, Nov 6 2009 12:20 AM

    Another unanswered thread.

  • tibbets United States
    1,043 Posts
    Tue, Nov 17 2009 9:55 PM

    Ok, the CTTH competitions have gotten way out of hand.  Club performance is so loose as compared to how they perform otherwise, sometimes I wonder if I'm playing the starter set again and no one is telling me.  In short, I think you guys are butchering these competitions by setting the club and course parameters up in such a way,  I really enjoy playing these things, but each week I see more and more wild deviations of shots and it really does take a lot of the fun out of it.

    I just have to ask, even though I know you probably can't answer, but why would the CTTH  be set up in such a fashion, and why would you think it would be 'fun' for us to play these competitions like this?

    Please, let us determine our own fate on the course, not some wildly bizarre 'random' variables.

  • mefitz United States
    328 Posts
    Wed, Nov 18 2009 6:28 AM

     

        I hate to see another thread go unanswered, so here goes. Can you say "Gimmicky Lottery Golf"? No Skill Needed! Grip it and Rip it, close your eyes and hope it`s Your Lucky Day!

       It`s a shame really. I think 90% of the frustration with this game comes from the unbelievable potential of this games site being wasted away in "cute little gimmicks" that have Nothing to do with "The Most Realistic Golf Ever ". Seems to me that since I joined back in May, things improved (new clubs, etc.) for about 2-3 months, and since around August it`s been going down hill faster than I could`ve imagined.

       I sincerely hope WGT gets back on course to "reality", but with the complete lack of any Substantial feedback rather than the usual "lip service" I`ve seen, I`m not holding my breath.

       Oh well. Back to TWO where unreality is FUN andTHE METER WORKS!!!

           Cheers

    edit) In fairness I should say- TWO is fun ( for me ) MAINLY because the Meter WORKS!!

  • WGTalex United States
    2,087 Posts
    Wed, Nov 18 2009 10:52 AM

    Hi tibbets, are you talking about Pinehurst, or all the courses in all CTTH tournaments and games? The clubs should not perform any differently in CTTH vs SP, so we're just trying to understand exactly where you think there is a problem. Thanks

  • tibbets United States
    1,043 Posts
    Thu, Nov 19 2009 3:42 PM

    Sorry for the delay in response.

    I am indeed talking about all the CTTH courses and games.  The amount of left/right and +/- distance deviation far exceeds what I find as a matter of course in non-CTTH games.

    A few examples: 

    #3 Pinehurst, 190 yds away..  Crosswind on 3 attempts.  First attempt with a 5 iron G10 master set, rated 190yds, with full backspin using an SD ball goes 193 in the air before landing.  2nd attempt goes 183 yds in the air,  3rd attempt goes 180 yds in the air.  That's a variance of 13 yards on the most accurate clubs in the game.  That's the same kind of variance I used to get with the Tour Starter set.

    #8 PInehurst, 209 yds away.  Crosswind on 3 attempts.  First attempt with a 4 iron, rated 200 yds, goes 209 yards in the air.  2nd attempt goes 203 yds in the air.  3rd attempt goes 196 yds in the air.  Once again, 13 yards worth of distance variance.

    The left/right deviations are harder to describe, but in essence it works out like 1 pixel mishits more than defeating 16mph crosswinds, perfect shots that go up to 8 yds wide of target line, etc.  In short, my Ping g10 master clubs act like Tour Starter clubs with their deviations in CTTH games.  Known shots from stroke play can go far beyond or far short of that I've ever seen in CTTH games.

      It's been a constant source of contention for me that there are different parameters in CTTH than for stroke play, and my observations continue to support that conclusion.  After having so many rounds of both stroke play and CTTH under my belt, I can only offer my observations of practical experience and application.  I sent an email with video clips a long time ago documenting the 13 yd variance in CTTH, and that was back in the days of the Tour Starter set.  The fact that I keep coming up with 13yds worth of deviation after all this time cannot be a coincidence.  These competitons are measured in feet, and  I've has some final scores after 9 holes that are smaller than the deviations of one shot!

    Something is amiss, and if it's not your intention to have differing parameters for the types of games, then it might be worth having a deeper look at how these CTTH things are set up.

    Thanks for listening, and I'll lay off the topic for now.

  • oilyrag United Kingdom
    417 Posts
    Wed, Sep 14 2011 3:15 PM

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