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Mon, Dec 17 2018 8:36 PM by malini4life. 13 replies.
  • malini4life Canada
    247 Posts
    Sun, Dec 16 2018 8:23 AM

    Hi Guys, i have been mapping my irons/ball combinations from the fairway for years now, i use the usual BPB #12, Kiawah #1, etc. My question is, i am looking to map my clubs from the TEE, which is a good hole to do that at and also do you map it from the TEE to the fairway or do you map it from the TEE to a green( i.e Par 3), let me know guys. My distances are pretty good from the fairway but it seems like when i hit from the TEE, even allowing for a few yards for hitting from the tee, my distances are all over the place, any insight would be welcomed.

    Thank You

    Malin

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  • SlickHunter United States
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    Sun, Dec 16 2018 10:08 AM
    I’m surprise you’re asking for this kind of advice being a Champion. Anyway, I do my mapping on BPB first hole, back nine..or like you said, kiawah’s 1st hole, front nine. I do every single iron, wedges, even 3wood from Tee, and Fairway with different spins on the ball..very long process, but it helps.
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  • malini4life Canada
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    Sun, Dec 16 2018 10:52 AM

    Just looking for a more accurate way to do it, is it better to hit from the tee to a green or is there no difference hitting to the fairway

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  • DoctorLarry United States
    2,368 Posts
    Sun, Dec 16 2018 1:13 PM

    SlickHunter:
    I’m surprise you’re asking for this kind of advice being a Champion. Anyway, I do my mapping on BPB first hole, back nine..or like you said, kiawah’s 1st hole, front nine. I do every single iron, wedges, even 3wood from Tee, and Fairway with different spins on the ball..very long process, but it helps.

    Exactly - I map from Kiawah #1 tee with all clubs (that will reach the fairway!) and use no spin, full back, and full top.  And, as you noticed, the distances from the tee usually vary from those on the fairway  for each club.

    I do the same from the fairway to green, except for clubs that are too long from the furtherest part of the fairway.

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  • kavvz Canada
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    Sun, Dec 16 2018 6:42 PM

    malini4life:

    Just looking for a more accurate way to do it, is it better to hit from the tee to a green or is there no difference hitting to the fairway

    No difference, you're just mapping how far the ball carries.  You just want to make sure there's no elevation and obviously no wind.   If you can get a 1-3 mph cross wind at 9 or 3 o'clock that is ideal. 

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  • malini4life Canada
    247 Posts
    Sun, Dec 16 2018 6:57 PM

    Thanks, good to know that there is no difference.

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  • goldeena Thailand
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    Sun, Dec 16 2018 10:44 PM

    I have to disagree with you all above as I have very recently discovered:

     

    If you are mapping your iron+ball combination specifically for the approach shot  then you must faithfully recreate that situation - that is from fairway to green, more so you must find the ideal green to shoot to - it should be dead level with the fairway and pancake flat.

     

    Pancake flat is the only option unless you want purely distorted results on the roll-out, this also gives you a better idea in-game on how to adjust the predicted figure with the green at hand (e.g., if it slopes up from front to back you might want to add a couple of extra yards from the pancake flat derived predicted figure).

     

    Only number 9 BPB (from the right side perimeter) can come close to idea (that I have found), and even then you will have to use a predictor to compensate the figure for any additional wind or difference in elevation between fairway and green for each of your irons.

     

    And even then - you will have to fine tune your figures in game to give the best 'overall result' and to correct any spurious results you may have collected. And even then you will have to either apply a 'guestimate' correction factor for each green speed you are shooting on to or repeat the mapping on to every green speed (much prefer the correction factor method and it isn't much anyway - not enough to repeat all that work!!).

     

    Map all your irons from tee-to-fairway and I will bet your long iron approaches will not be anywhere near as accurate as doing it this way.

     

    Now you can all go and shoot me down in flames, lols - but I don't care because this is the way I am doing it these days and it is the right way to 'approach' it.

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  • malini4life Canada
    247 Posts
    Mon, Dec 17 2018 8:51 AM

    Hi Goldeena, i had a suspicion that would be true, i have mapped my irons from the fairway to the green, using BPB # 15, very flat green, no elevation, my numbers are pretty dead on. My problem is when i hit from a TEE to a green, so Par 3's, my yards are always all over the place, is there a specific Par 3 that i can map my irons too, one that has no elevation,etc, thanks for your feedback, new ideas and options are always welcomed here....LOL

     

    Malin

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  • DoctorLarry United States
    2,368 Posts
    Mon, Dec 17 2018 10:17 AM

    As noted, I map tee to fairway and fairway to green.  No need to map anthing more than carry on fairway to green since none of the greens are the same and the stated green speeds vary as well.  You have to learn the rollout for each green, and that is where notes come in.

    No one will have a perfect predictor - only practice and experience will build a database of results - either in one's memory or computer!

    Anyway you map, the practice is still useful in general to me, since there is so much to learn.

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  • goldeena Thailand
    1,751 Posts
    Mon, Dec 17 2018 12:50 PM

    malini4life:

    Hi Goldeena, i had a suspicion that would be true, i have mapped my irons from the fairway to the green, using BPB # 15, very flat green, no elevation, my numbers are pretty dead on. My problem is when i hit from a TEE to a green, so Par 3's, my yards are always all over the place, is there a specific Par 3 that i can map my irons too, one that has no elevation,etc, thanks for your feedback, new ideas and options are always welcomed here....LOL

     

    Malin

     

    Hi Malini,

    I have just been having a look, number 15 Olympic?? for a par 3 Tee - green. Sure it's between 10 - 11 feet up but the green is flat and you can compensate elevation pretty easily, it might be worth a look - try it from all the different Tees to get your full range of approaches in.

    I am going to add that one to this custom course I am going to create for mapping next year (if you have a CC you can put all these holes together and create a month long 4 round tourny with 'em  - much more convenient).

     

    Anyway good luck with your endeavors and do let me know if you find any good holes for mapping, be it tee-green, fairway-fairway, tee-fairway or fairway to green .

     

    Of course you can't beat experience and notes (that's why I recommend the WGT notepad) - but you have to have a good starting (reference) point to take your notes from. And how else are you going to have any hope of controlling those higher spec. balls if you don't map it and get it's general characteristics down.

     

     

    deena. 

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