My Online Shot Estimator

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Sat, Oct 24 2009 4:45 PM by danohi50. 53 replies.

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nivlac

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Sat, Oct 17 2009 8:29 PM

AdamTurner:
you still need to rely on your notes

Agreed. In it's current form it's not going to do what I'm saying. Tibbets has already pointed out that the differences in how the clubs respond to certain lies and other such things will wreak havoc on the current tool. All I'm saying is that the potential is there for this be disastrous if someone should decide to try and perfect what is currently imperfect.

Sat, Oct 17 2009 8:38 PM

Perfection is impossible which is my point. Refinement to a certain degree yes but not 'much' more than it already is. There are too many factors involved.

Sun, Oct 18 2009 6:55 AM

NIv makes a valid point...let me help Niv drive home his point.

I too am a software engineer...I could easily build such a tool that that lets you do the following;

1.1) create an account

1.2) describe the clubs in your bag (with this information i now know the spin and trajectory ratings of your clubs)

1.3) what ball are you playing

now in game estimator;

enter yardage, enter wind speed, click wind direction indicator, select hole you are on (for example BPB#2), select green speed, select lie indicator (default is fairway), enter up/down elevation change...click *submit*.

i now have all the information to calculate what club, power and spin to recommend...i can even calculate how far right and left of stick to aim!!!

how do i know i could do this with a program?...because this is exactly the process i go thru for every shot using my own built in processor (aka my brain).

this is Niv's point Adam...it can be done, and should NOT (imho, ok?, sure, flame away at me)

Sun, Oct 18 2009 12:20 PM

I tried it earlier, and found it wasn't very accurate, but it certainly has potential if a top player who knows every inch and yardage of a club collaborated with Adam to fine tune it. But for now i'll just use my own knowledge of what i know.

Sun, Oct 18 2009 1:10 PM

Please try it again. I've fine-tuned it immensely.

Also realize that it can't determine the spin of your club or the extra distance on your ball, etc...so there will be minor infractions.

I've found that using my Taylor clubs, there is a consisency and this consistency will be equal across the board once you get used to the module.

Sun, Oct 18 2009 1:38 PM

If the clubs are the variable here at least state what you used for your research. I saw "Taylors" but that's all.

I use Taylors and the Redwood, exclusively, including all the wedges. If I were to use your calculator I would need some deviation factor based on the club difference between what you used and what I use.

Your idea is great for the clueless golfer but I'm sure pro's and masters got where they are by using what moli refers to as the "brain". I know I do and it works quite well. Knowing your clubs supercedes a calculator IMHO.

Just my 2 cents (or 3 cents converted to Canadian.)

Sun, Oct 18 2009 2:02 PM

Just tried it again,but still hitting it too long maybe its coz i am usung the raptures,not sure. But i'll have a look at your scores in a couple of days Adam and see if it is accurate...Nice idea though none the less

Sun, Oct 18 2009 2:06 PM

I agree YankeeJim which why this application is really only going as far as it is. It was a weekend project. I earned pro with freebie clubs and am still learning my Talor set. I do have a full Ping set that I will test later on.

What I can say is this...the module is consistent once you get used to it. You HAVE to know your clubs. I'm not going to the extreme, as mentioned earlier, of creating accounts storing club configurations. If someone else wants to run with that, have fun. My algorithms took hours to calculate just to find a happy medium and that's all this module intends to do...create a "Happy Medium."

The full intent of this was not to create a cheat but set reminders for fast players to check the wind, adjust the spin, adjust for hills, pay attention to the club. That's it. Ultimately, the brain will be the difference between Master and Hack. There's no way to calculate this conversion.

Remember folks, it's the player, not the tools.

Sun, Oct 18 2009 2:07 PM

cobra4:

Just tried it again,but still hitting it too long maybe its coz i am usung the raptures,not sure. But i'll have a look at your scores in a couple of days Adam and see if it is accurate...Nice idea though none the less

My score are little off right now from testing and tuning this app. Have a look next weekend when I have time to focus.

Edit: But also keep in mind that my scores are not a reflection of the accuracy of this application. It is only a reflection of how well I played.

Thanks,

Adam

Sun, Oct 18 2009 2:44 PM

I should take a minute to describe the logic behind this application to avoid further confusion. This application will respond exactly the same every time. If you hit long with this application, you will always hit long. Once you get used to that, pull back a little on the meter or drop the spin a little. In either case, if you always perform the same action, the application will always give you the same results.

This application is exactly like buying new clubs. You're going to hit long or short or hook or slice until you familiarize yourself with its function.

Like clubs, try it for a week. If you don't see a difference in your game, dispose of it, and like clubs, your game might suffer intially but enhance over time. The only real guarantee I can make is that it will do exactly the same thing every time and it is 'relatively' accurate and that's as close as it can be given the factors.

Enjoy yourself and happy golfing,

Adam Turner

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