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Sun, Nov 18 2018 8:55 AM by lonniescott711. 16 replies.
  • krskfr Canada
    455 Posts
    Tue, Nov 13 2018 2:10 PM

    How goes it mates, just curious if someone can delineate for me the subtleties of putting with a ball with a spin rating of 5 rather than 4? I used to use the NIKE RZN Black balls for many years (that had i think 4.2 spin), and now that theyre gone i've been trying out some Titliest balls that have a spin rating of 5 - alot of my putts have been lips outs or just short of the cup ( i guess due to this increased spin), am i imagining this difference, or is it legit. Cheers, and thanks for your input.  

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  • TopShelf2010 United States
    8,522 Posts
    Tue, Nov 13 2018 2:45 PM

    I was always under the impression that once on the green and putting, all balls were created equal? I cannot see how a spin rating would matter once on the green.

    Will be waiting for other responses that might shed some light on this topic

     

    Don

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  • goldeena Thailand
    1,684 Posts
    Tue, Nov 13 2018 2:55 PM

    I never knew you could put 'spin' on the ball once on the putting surface, so even though I don't use a ball more pricier than a Hex soft for instance I think I could assume the spin rating of the ball has no influence on the green.

     

    Though, like Einstein (oh gawwwwd here she goes again, lols!!), I 'suspect' there are 'hidden variables' at play, that is to say I suspect a pricier ball 'might' give you more leeway in taking slightly the wrong line because it has a hidden 'forgiveness', or gets a less harsh treatment in terms of the statistical variance imparted upon it (VEM), but I can't say that with any certainty, I would have to make a thorough investigation using the formula with different balls.... I just don't have the time nor the pocket money for that:-)

     

    I would guess that if anything - it 'might' be due to the 'distance' rating of a ball, again I have not investigated such subleties but say a long putt of perhaps 75 ft hit with the starter, would it travel as far as say one of those expensive distance 5 rated balls on the putting surface for identical conditions and line 'on average'? perhaps this could manifest itself in lip-outs if the ball is travelling slightly faster for the same given input conditions?

     

    Or it might be the wind - the wind does have an effect on the green, though very slight it can be observed in high wind conditions at extreme angles relative to the putting direction.

     

    I don't know - but I know that I don't know, the path to true wisdom and enlightenment!

     

    deeeeeena.

     

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    final thoughts:

     

    if anyone is noticing more lip-outs than usual I personally would say the favourites for such cause would be either:

    - VEM cycles (we all go through 'em and WGT have affirmed these cycles previously)

    - WGT slight modifications to greenspeed (seasonal)

     

    but really you should always be making adjustments for these things however you play the game - it's never static, which is good!!

     

    sodakknight echoes my sentiments down below


    vvvvv

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  • lonniescott711 United States
    3,951 Posts
    Tue, Nov 13 2018 3:15 PM

    Ball spin has no effect when putting . Your missed putts are due to either hitting with too much power or not enough power . Putters dont generate spin only roll so unless you are trying to use a wedge on the greens there is no spin .

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  • alosso Germany
    19,296 Posts
    Tue, Nov 13 2018 10:12 PM

    TopShelf2010:
    I was always under the impression that once on the green and putting, all balls were created equal?
    +1!

    The only difference between balls on the green is putter characteristics like precision or meter speed!

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  • sodakknight United States
    699 Posts
    Wed, Nov 14 2018 4:19 AM

    alosso:

    The only diference between balls on the green is putter characteristics like precision or meter speed!

    Maybe my imagination but I thought that the distance characteristic of the ball could affect putts also....a little more distance of a different ball, gives it a little more bounce off the clubface which makes a a little more speed, hence a lip out.

    I could be wrong.....

     

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  • Kenher01 Ireland
    828 Posts
    Wed, Nov 14 2018 4:23 AM

    Hi krskfr,

                  Don't mind the "false" Info, To cancel out the extra spin you are getting on the greens with your putts just use FTS like I do!, Problem solved & happy to oblige! ;)

    Ken

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  • lonniescott711 United States
    3,951 Posts
    Wed, Nov 14 2018 8:02 AM

    sodakknight:

    alosso:

    The only diference between balls on the green is putter characteristics like precision or meter speed!

    Maybe my imagination but I thought that the distance characteristic of the ball could affect putts also....a little more distance of a different ball, gives it a little more bounce off the clubface which makes a a little more speed, hence a lip out.

    I could be wrong.....

     

    The only time speed will affect the putt is due to elevation . Uphill putts require more power or the putt will slow down and come up short . Downhill putts require less power as the putt will speed up and cause a lip  out or go long . But all balls putt the same and the balls distance spec does not come into play when putting .

    Also you cant adjust ball spin when on the green , even if using a club other than the putter . Once on the green the ball spin option is not usable .

     

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  • krskfr Canada
    455 Posts
    Wed, Nov 14 2018 10:46 AM

    thanks for you gracious replies fellas, really interesting perspectives here. I personally believe that differences in spin does alter how you set up a putt. A great analogy would be using the treads on a tire of a vehicle, if you have bald treads versus a new tire, the new tire would grip the road better and react quicker whilst turning or braking, versus a tire with bald treads would take longer to adjust to your commands. That's how i see it pertaining to what ought to happen in reality versus a video game. Lol. 

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  • DoctorLarry United States
    2,171 Posts
    Fri, Nov 16 2018 11:02 PM

    Believe what you want, but the ball does not care.  It goes where it wants, even if you put snow chains on it!!

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