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Sat, Feb 22 2020 7:05 PM by MBaggese. 24 replies.
  • wayneacampbell Canada
    62 Posts
    Wed, Oct 12 2016 6:18 PM

    Would appreciate any help from WGT. members as to various putting speed ratios .

    E.G. Fast, Very Fast, Tourney, Championship, etc.

     

    Thank You Again.

     

    Wayne.

  • ApexPC United States
    3,164 Posts
    Fri, Oct 14 2016 10:07 AM

    Is that an Introduction?

    Unfortunately, there is not just 1 ratio for any particular green speed because up hill, down hill, with and against the wind - changes the ratio.

     

  • SeabrookFlash United States
    445 Posts
    Fri, Oct 14 2016 10:34 AM

    Wayne, take your distance and add for uphill and subtract for downhill to get your starting point.  On championship greens I use .74 on level or uphill putts and .70 on downhill or even .65 on severe downhill putts as a multiplier to get the distance that I want to hit the putt.  On Tournament speed greens I use .76 as a multiplier  and usually just hit the ball a little more firmly. On very fast greens try .85.  These are guidelines and the more you practice the more you will get a feel for the speeds.  That's the way I do it.  I'm sure there are others with more complicated formulas but it seems to work for me. I hope you find this helpful.   

  • Young46 United States
    1,225 Posts
    Fri, Oct 14 2016 12:13 PM

    This may help you.

  • 11BC2 United States
    555 Posts
    Fri, Oct 14 2016 5:19 PM

    wayneacampbell:

    Would appreciate any help from WGT. members as to various putting speed ratios .

    E.G. Fast, Very Fast, Tourney, Championship, etc.

    The following is *cut and pasted from* Fmagnets: (hope he doesn't mind!??)

    9 = 1.1, 10 = 1.2, 11 = 1.3, 12 = 1.45, 13 = 1.6, 14 = 1.7, 15 = 1.8 then +/- elevation  +1  

    Also - 10% of distance for extreme uphillers, and +1ft for every 20ft of putt into a 30mph wind and -1ft for every 30t of putt down a 30mph wind.

    and.....

    And you MUST always add the +1 to any elevation reading because WGT measures every putt down from the centre of the ball to the green surface. Without this +1 you will have to make adjustments between long and short putts, and all your green speed factors would generally be too slow.

     

    The distance is also not the straight line distance to the hole, but the distance the ball would have to travel to get there (so it's greater if the putt is bendy). A rough rule of thumb is to add on half the elevation change you get when you move the marker from the hole to an aim point the same distance away as the hole. Eg. a bendy putt, you move the marker 2 yards to the side of the hole and the elevation changes from +2 to +5, so you are adding an extra +1.5 to the distance in your calculation.

     

  • MalleeHacka Australia
    1,448 Posts
    Fri, Oct 14 2016 5:58 PM

    Y46,

    I've downloaded the spreadsheet, but when I open it I get several error messages about the workbook containing automatic links to other workbooks - any ideas?

    I've had a go with it after some adjustment and it seems to work really well if the putt elevation is positive. If it's a negative elevation the workbook won't accept the figure with the minus sign in front of it as it seems to read it as an extension to the formula in the 'Elevation' cell - B4

    Where to from here.

    Cheers - Malleehacka

  • IJACK21 United States
    49 Posts
    Fri, Oct 14 2016 10:16 PM

    putting speed & distances

    This is simple and has always worked for me....

    You'll know what type of green you'll be shooting by looking at the highest-tier member of your group.  If that is a master, greens will be Very Fast.  If there is a Tour Master, that will be Tournament.  If there is a Legend, the greens will say "TOURNAMENT" BUT IN FACT THEY ARE LEGEND TOURNAMENT GREENS, SO BE AWARE.

    Slow = -10%

    Standard = add 2 ft to putting distance

    Fast = deduct 4 ft from putting distance 

    Very Fast = deduct 7 ft from putting distance

    Tournament Speed = deduct 10 ft from putting distance

    Legend Tournament Speed = deduct 11 ft from putting distance

  • alanti Australia
    10,466 Posts
    Sat, Oct 15 2016 12:08 AM

    IJACK21:

    Slow = -10%

    Standard = add 2 ft to putting distance

    Fast = deduct 4 ft from putting distance 

    Very Fast = deduct 7 ft from putting distance

    Tournament Speed = deduct 10 ft from putting distance

    Legend Tournament Speed = deduct 11 ft from putting distance

    This makes absolutely no sense to me.

    For example I have a 10 foot putt on "Legend Tournament Greens" - do I hit the putt one foot? Oh dear........

    This could explain why you are a level 93 tour pro with less than 18% one putts and over 2 putts per hole and nearly 30% three putts. 

    I recommend players take the advice of Young46 or others in this thread as it is about reducing the power incrementally, not in terms of a linear distance.

     

  • igolfdoyou1 United States
    896 Posts
    Sat, Oct 15 2016 12:43 AM

    Ultra Fast 5 - 6 for 10 ft        Champion Speed hit 7 ft for 10 feet     T

    Tourney  hit 8 ft for 10ft        Very Fast hit 9 ft for 10ft                     

    Fast hit 10ft for 10 ft             Standard hit 11.5 ft for 10ft

    Slow hit 12.5 ft for 10f           Super Slow 18 ft for  every 10 ft

    Extremely slow 3.0 for 1 foot

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