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Wed, Feb 21 2018 7:23 AM by pdb1. 201 replies.
  • petervcpt South Africa
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    Sun, Dec 25 2016 2:53 AM

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  • pmm711 United States
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    Tue, Jan 3 2017 10:27 PM

    MainzMan:

    pdb1:

    The ball travels at a slower rate anywhere within the 10 meter  then it does with the 15 meter . I don't know why . But it appears that way to me . 

    It isn't just you who thinks this.  I actually bought the original Method when it came out, it was new and shiny and the guy in the pro shop threw in an old sock to cover the head.  He told me it (the sock that is) had belonged to Bobby Jones but I'm not sure about that, smelt more like Walter Hagen to me.

    Anyway, the 10 foot scale on that thing was totally dead.  Compared to the Ghost Spider I'd been using it seemed like the putter face had half an inch of soft rubber glued to it.  Nearly every single putt I hit with that scale came up short.  Not that there were many, the pro shop guy got it shoved where the sun don't shine after a very short time.

    I believe he tried to sell it to another customer as once belonging to Bill Clinton.

    It's crazy as I just recently started to "see" this occurring and I wasn't sure what was going on...then I found this thread.

    When I first started playing the Lev 96 Nike putter (was a Lev 101 putter before "The Sale") I did have to adjust from the 15/30 meter increments from my old Lev 55 TM Rossa.  But...I never experienced a slow rolling ball...

    until now...

    and it's totally screwed up my putting.

    Why am I just starting to "see" it though whereas you all saw it way before I did? 

    See my other thread on the Cleveland wedges...someone behind the scenes has to be f-ing with things...mainly us.

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  • pdb1 United States
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    Wed, Jan 4 2017 4:40 AM

      The below list the the putters I have used as I came up . And the breakdown of the distance per increment for each meter of each putter. 

      For the first couple years I used the Redwood . I charted out the distances for each meter up to 60 ' for each green speed . I found the calculations to be extremely accurate with little adjustments for every new condition as needed . 

      example : Legend Tournament 12 - 17' / 1.35 = 13 ' give or take . I 

      Then the Vers'a for the next 3 years L 70 & L 96 . same formula same accurate results . As far as distance . Always 1 to 2 ft . from the hole right left long or short . 

      I recently changed everything and am now using The Nike METHOD 001 . With the 10 , 20 , 50 meters . 

      This is where my problems are currently . The 10 meter appears to have then same 4' increments as the above Redwood & Versa 15 ft meters . But even if they are not the same increments . The travel of the ball is much slower with the Nike . 

      First question ? Green speed remains the same . How does the ball roll more slowly ? Even when trying to adjust up to compensate ? 

      Second question . I recently rented the new Sabertooth M2. The 10 , 20 , 50 ft meter model . 

      The speed is even different than all of the above ( or below depending on if you are standing on your head ). Yet the green speed and the increments remain the same . Am I missing some thing that i should know ? Because my numbers are correct . And my calculator works just fine . 

      These are questions soley about the travel and speeds of the 10 , 20 , 50  meter putters .

      I still have no clue how to aim , where to move the aimer , how much to move the aimer . Why the dots do not give the same results 2 times in a row . All questions for another post . 

      anyone who plays with me often can attest to the fact that I lip out or miss every eagle or birdie putt by an inch everytime .

     

    Ping Redwood Z6

    15' meter = 3 increments = 6 ' per increment

     

    30' meter = 5 increments = 6 ' per increment 

     

    45' meter = 5 increments = 9' per increment

     

    90' meter = 7 increments = 12.9 ' per increment

     

    150 meter = 9 increments = 16.66 ft per increment

     

    300 meter = 9 increments = 33.33 ' per increment 

     

    Odyssey Versa's 

    15' meter = 3 increments = 5 ' per increment

     

    30' meter = 5 increments = 6 ' per increment 

     

    60 meter = 5 increments = 12' per increment 

     

    100 meter 7  imcrements = 14. 29 ft per increment

     

    150 meter = 9 increments = 16.66 ft per increment

     

    300 meter = 9 increments = 33.33 ' per increment 

     

    Nike METHOD 001 

     

    10 meter 2. something ? = 4' ? increments doesn't  click at the top of the 10 

     

    20 meter 2 . something ? incrents doesn't click at the top of the 20 meter 

     

    50 meter 5 increments = 10 ft per increment

     

    100 meter 7 + imcrements = 14. 29 ft per increment

     

    150 meter = 9 increments = 16.66 ft per increment

     

    300 meter = 9 increments = 33.33 ' per increment 

     

    odyssey sabertooth M2

     

    10 meter 2. 7 increments ? = 4' ? doesn't  click at the top of the 10 

     

    20 meter 2.7 incremets ? doesn't click at the top of the 20 meter 

     

    50 meter  5 increments = 10 ft per increment

     

    100 meter = 7  imcrements = 14. 29 ft per increment 

     

    150 meter = 9 increments = 16.66 ft per increment

     

    300 meter = 9 increments = 33.33 ' per increment 

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  • Jimbog1964 Guernsey
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    Wed, Jan 4 2017 6:35 AM

    pdb1:
    First question ? Green speed remains the same . How does the ball roll more slowly ? Even when trying to adjust up to compensate ? 

    Go to Beth 10, find a flat spot and hit it...............Notice your scale when doing so.  Mulligan and hit it again 4 more times self same power / scale.  Note the grouping, all done for that x1 scale.

    Stick to dings only counting if I were you until real confident...Versa line possibly best for that, but not your real basic issue.  EDIT: Thinking through Versa line probably best all round for you at this point........

     

    pdb1:

    I still have no clue how to aim , where to move the aimer , how much to move the aimer . Why the dots do not give the same results 2 times in a row . All questions for another post . 

      anyone who plays with me often can attest to the fact that I lip out or miss every eagle or birdie putt by an inch everytime .

    Practice mode.over and over each hole, AFTER the above for basic distance each scale...................One putter only allowed for a LONG TIME to get used to that ONE putter

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  • pdb1 United States
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    Wed, Jan 4 2017 7:02 PM

    Jimbog1964:

    pdb1:
    First question ? Green speed remains the same . How does the ball roll more slowly ? Even when trying to adjust up to compensate ? 

    Go to Beth 10, find a flat spot and hit it...............Notice your scale when doing so.  Mulligan and hit it again 4 more times self same power / scale.  Note the grouping, all done for that x1 scale.

    Stick to dings only counting if I were you until real confident...Versa line possibly best for that, but not your real basic issue.  EDIT: Thinking through Versa line probably best all round for you at this point........

     

    pdb1:

    I still have no clue how to aim , where to move the aimer , how much to move the aimer . Why the dots do not give the same results 2 times in a row . All questions for another post . 

      anyone who plays with me often can attest to the fact that I lip out or miss every eagle or birdie putt by an inch everytime .

    Practice mode.over and over each hole, AFTER the above for basic distance each scale...................One putter only allowed for a LONG TIME to get used to that ONE putter

      All good advice . I will try most of it .

      I have a problem with practice mode . I have tried it , has never helped , always came away with the feeling it was a big waste of time . 

     

    Jimbog1964:
    Thinking through Versa line probably best all round for you at this point

      The versa's I own have a 15 , 30 , 60 meters . Only the new one offers 10 , 20 , 50 meters .  May have to buy it after all . 

     

     

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  • K7JBQ United States
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    Wed, Jan 4 2017 9:19 PM

    Hoo boy, is that great advice. On paper, the Versa l70 and the Versa l96 should play about the same. Well, they do...and they don't. Had a nice long relationship with the level 70, but still learning the 96.

    Jimbog1964:

    pdb1:
    First question ? Green speed remains the same . How does the ball roll more slowly ? Even when trying to adjust up to compensate ? 

    Go to Beth 10, find a flat spot and hit it...............Notice your scale when doing so.  Mulligan and hit it again 4 more times self same power / scale.  Note the grouping, all done for that x1 scale.

    Stick to dings only counting if I were you until real confident...Versa line possibly best for that, but not your real basic issue.  EDIT: Thinking through Versa line probably best all round for you at this point........

     

    pdb1:

    I still have no clue how to aim , where to move the aimer , how much to move the aimer . Why the dots do not give the same results 2 times in a row . All questions for another post . 

      anyone who plays with me often can attest to the fact that I lip out or miss every eagle or birdie putt by an inch everytime .

    Practice mode.over and over each hole, AFTER the above for basic distance each scale...................One putter only allowed for a LONG TIME to get used to that ONE putter

     

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  • Jimbog1964 Guernsey
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    Thu, Jan 5 2017 12:09 PM

    pdb1:

    All good advice . I will try most of it .

      I have a problem with practice mode . I have tried it , has never helped , always came away with the feeling it was a big waste of time .

    Ball park putting it's fine...........And easy to then go to a RR and test it.  We are just talking Beth 10...........

    pdb1:
    The versa's I own have a 15 , 30 , 60 meters . Only the new one offers 10 , 20 , 50 meters .  May have to buy it after all . 

    The key is deciding which you like, and sticking with it.............Nikes were / are OK but you need to PRACTICE the scale you are using, and play that scale that way ONLY......Don't overthink it.

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  • pdb1 United States
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    Thu, Jan 5 2017 5:34 PM

    Jimbog1964:
    The key is deciding which you like, and sticking with it.............Nikes were / are OK but you need to PRACTICE the scale you are using, and play that scale that way ONLY......Don't overthink it.

      Yes . i understand . That is what this is all about . I spent the last 4 years with the first L70 versa , then the L96 . Tried the 80 something , what were they thinking with that one  ? Lol .  I felt like I was missing something always . So I got the L89 Nike with the 10 , 20 , 50 . 

     

    pdb1:

    pdb1 wrote the following post at Sat, Oct 15 2016 10:51 AM:

      I just changed putters from the

    Odyssey Versa #1 Black Putter (L96+) 4.5 meter speed

      to the

    NIKE Method 001 Putter (L94+) 5.0 meter speed 

      I am having trouble with the 10 , 20 , 50 meters . The increments for each meter don't seem to be accurate . And the ball speed seems to be much slower . I know the meter speed is .5 slower . But I didn't think that effects ball speed .
      I now find out that the L 101 Nike has the 15 , 30 , 60 meters . That won't help me now  . By the time I get to L 101 . I'll probably figure this one out . 

      I still think I, like the 10 , 20 , 50 meters . That you can see i have had only since mid October . 
      Now I have to decide if I want to go back to versa and get the sabertooth .
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  • conveyorguy United States
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    Thu, Jan 5 2017 5:51 PM

    Sell 'em all; go w/the lvl 59 Saber lol. ( pretty good #'s) And I'm still surprised nobody has started  a Sabertooth Country Club lol...........

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  • pdb1 United States
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    Sat, Feb 4 2017 3:57 AM

      Oh shyt . So now i want to play more on champ greens . A different calculation . Less distance faster green makes sense . 

      So the increments change for the 10 , 20 , 50 , meters ? 

      You know when the meter breaks , or rides back , or returns , whatever it's called . You know then that you are pretty close to your distance . 

      But for me it doesn't match the calculation . The meter wants me to hit longer , not shorter for the faster green . 

      I feel like something has changed . Besides my mind . 

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