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Precision? What Precision?

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Sat, Apr 11 2009 7:38 AM by KillerRabbit. 20 replies.
  • mrboo United States
    211 Posts
    Tue, Apr 7 2009 7:53 PM

     So I bought the new irons...this is very strange. For about 2 weeks they were working great, I was like Woohoo! Now I'm like Boohoo! I mean I just hit a perfect shot aimed at the flag, 3mph wind blowing right and my shot ended up 22ft left of the pin. Then I aimed right, hit a little right, and it went way left! And it just keeps on happening, Nothing, not one shot goes where it "should." Biggest waste of $3.00 I ever made. My internet is at the same performance as always, I emptied my flash cache, and the game runs great as ever, but this is totally bunk. I'm pissed to say the very least, complete BS. When I pay for something I expect to get something in return. WTF WGT? Sorry, I love the game and service but this just sucks.

  • WGTalex United States
    2,087 Posts
    Wed, Apr 8 2009 10:56 AM

    Hi mrboo, you purchased the irons and they worked as you expected for two weeks, and then stopped working the same? How long has this been the case?

  • mrboo United States
    211 Posts
    Wed, Apr 8 2009 5:05 PM

     About 3 days now Alex, I know it sounds strange. But there is something fishy going on for sure...It's like the "forgiveness" is totally gone, I hit a little off perfect, and it's going WAY off line. And like I said even on perfect shots it strays at least 10 feet (and no it's not the wind). I had a question or 2...maybe 3. Anyways, if I hit left of perfect, should the shot go left? Or right, shouldn't it go right? Cuz sometimes I hit left of perfect and it goes right. And is there something like "luck" in this game? Like a perfect shot might not always be straight? Like a chance thing? I just don't know, I'm baffled. I don't expect to get it within 10ft everytime and don't want the game to be unrealistically easy but a perfect shot should be, well, perfect...no?

  • WGTalex United States
    2,087 Posts
    Thu, Apr 9 2009 1:17 PM

    If you hit left of perfect it should go left. How much it goes to the left depends on how off-center you were, and also how forgiving the club is. Wind is also factored in. A perfect swing is not always straight, because a perfect swing does not mean your ball travels in a perfect way. If there are any particular holes or shots where you think club behavior is wrong, please make a note of it and let us know.

  • tibbets United States
    1,043 Posts
    Thu, Apr 9 2009 1:29 PM

     We all know that's not the way it works Alex.  Shots missed left, aimed left, often go right, regardless of wind.  Why do you at WGT insist on saying otherwise?  Patternized movement of the ball dictates which direction the ball goes before the swing ever takes place.  This is the achilles heel of the system, and I would have thought after the last 6 months of gameplay you would have seen and/or admitted that by now.

    It is fact:  The ball has a predestined flight path before the swing takes place.  How much it deviates from that flight path is dictated by the swing of the player.  It continues to be proven over and over that shots missed one way often go the opposite way.  This is not conjecture or hypothesis.  It is fact.

  • nivlac United States
    2,188 Posts
    Thu, Apr 9 2009 3:35 PM

    Yes, it's time to open up and discuss this with us, please.  It's not really a secret anymore and we should not avoid dialogue.  As tibbets mentioned, this is a serious achilles heel.  Many players know about it and dislike it.  The system as it stands is golf with a twist.

    If ultimate realism is your goal then I'm sorry to say that the current 'predetermined direction' shot system is failing on a fundamental level.  There are times when the system requires you to aim a putt 4" left of the hole that is already breaking to the left.  Any sane person would aim right on a putt that breaks left.  But If you don't aim to the left, you will miss the putt, end of story.  That is neither practical nor realistic.  The bottom line is that playing practically in this game will often cause higher scores.  The only real way to score well consistently is to know the system.  IMO, you're really blowing it in this regard.

    By allowing the game to operate in this fashion you are continuing to enable the flood of threads just like this one.   We continue to see the same complaints regurgitated in various forms over the last 6 months from players who don't understand the system. We continue to see the frustrated people who are tired of their straight shots not going straight and their mishits right going left and vice versa.  You're just going to end up with a lot of very frustrated folks who are wary to spend their money because all they know is that where their shots end up is not entirely dependant on their swing result.

    I would like to see some sort of developers commentary.  Some way that us players can have a dialogue with the developers, ask the tough questions about the game and receive the real honest answers. I'd very much like to know the reasoning behind the implementation of the pattern system and why there has been such a non-response in addressing it.  Do you just not believe us?

    My advice?  Drop the very artificial pattern system and let us play real golf like every other game out there.  Tighten up the forgiveness so that we're actually penalized for mishits and let the straight shots go straight.  The shot result must be completely dependant on our input, our stats, the course conditions and nothing more.  Unfortunately, that is not the case at the moment.

  • mrboo United States
    211 Posts
    Thu, Apr 9 2009 5:53 PM

     

    Ok Alex, thanks. However, I still, am very discouraged here. You said "A perfect swing is not always straight, because a perfect swing does not mean your ball travels in a perfect way." This is some what reasonable, As I said, I don't want the game to be too easy. To place every shot within 10 ft is totally bs. I don't care if you are Tiger, Hogan and Nicklaus all in one. But as others have said there is a fundamental flaw in the system. I think If this game's shots are going to be based on pure "luck" and totally random sequence, then there needs to be an overhaul of the entire swing system.

    I used to play...I think it was, TW 04 on pc which required you to use a back and forth motion with the mouse. A free swing format. I've played every TW on Xbox360 and I still think I enjoyed the Pc version most for this simple reason. Shot shaping ability, swing speed variance, and accuracy were all dependant on the player. Not the system dictating it. Any error in swing was completely the players fault, not just some random happen-stance.

    The swing format WGT uses turned me off from my very first shot. It's out-dated and simplistic. I feel like I'm playing Pong on Atari.

    You also said, that indeed, if I hit left of perfect the shot should go left. That is only the case if I hit WAY WAY left of perfect, in which case it is not even playable at such a degree.

    I think the player should have full dictation of what happens to his/her shot, and not a random lottery style format. What's the point in even aiming? Or trying to hit a little left or right to compensate for wind or green tiers?

    Time to think this over WGT. Until then I guess I'll keep "trying" to get lucky here and there. I also think you should give this some serious consideration because look at who responded to this post. Some of, if not the most, seasoned, and caring players on WGT.

  • Jeremiah2L United States
    28 Posts
    Thu, Apr 9 2009 7:59 PM

    I have come to the conclusion that this website does not know what precision, forgiveness, and workability are....precision has nothing to do with left and right to me, to me precision means if you hit it 150 it goes 150 everytime..more precise clubs in real life do this..less precise clubs vary a little more on distance when hit correctly.  Forgiveness is the ability of the club to make the balls till go straight even when mishit.  This game has no draw or fade so there is not workability, generally as you upgrade clubs with your game getting better in golf you sacrifice forgiveness for workability as you don't need the forgiveness anymore...the thing is..none of this has anything to do with the ball going striaght when hit correctly.

    I don't care if you have some Wal-Mart Knights, some X-18's with great forgiveness or some tour blades, when you hit the ball perfect in golf it goes straight.  Period.  If the lay of the land is making it go right or left then show that on the screen.

  • Fuzzygazz United States
    863 Posts
    Thu, Apr 9 2009 8:24 PM

     

    Agree with tibbs and niv..Seems like everything is a big secret. More honest communications with community would make a better game. Even the upper tier players can help developers with great info. Use the community. If your having a problem let them know. More transpearency is needed.  fuzzygazz

  • nivlac United States
    2,188 Posts
    Fri, Apr 10 2009 1:05 AM

    One other thing I'd like to add.

    I've seen complaints on this forum about the fact that there is a select group of Amateur players that, more or less, win everything there is.  Doesn't the presence of the pre-determined direction system just aid in keeping that group as sparsely populated as possible? If you took out that part of the equation, you would open up the door to many more people who could be competitive.  As a result, your pay tournament participation increases because there's no longer a gimmick.  It would simply come down to the basics of your swing, aim, equipment & conditions.  In other words, pure video golf in it's finest form.  It's a win-win for everyone.

    Believe me I love winning all of the prizes and I'm sure tibbets does too, but think about what it means when we're the ones telling you that something is wrong. 

    This small issue is causing big hurt in an otherwise near-perfect game.

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