man, i loose more strokes trying to chip from the around the greens on this course. It's ridiculous, holes 13 and 17..man, forget it I'd rather land 50 yards back on the fairway. You have to hit it dead on for it to go anywhere...and even then it's hardly a good chip. I mean I'm duffing it like a beginner..bad..probably loose 5 strokes a nine like this. Anyone got chipping tips? Should I pitch? Any of it seems nearly impossible around these bpb greens.