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Mon, Sep 21 2009 1:57 PM by Faterson. 27 replies.

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Wed, Sep 16 2009 4:49 PM

we need a rule to stop players quiting in the round because it may muck up their standing as a pro or master they send a messege saying they are quiting for this reason this leaves other players having to start all over again not very sporting (maybe someone should explain the meaning of the word to them)

Thu, Sep 17 2009 2:06 PM

Even if someone you are playing with quits the game you can still finish and post your score.

We are working on a way to deter players from quitting mid-round.

Thu, Sep 17 2009 10:01 PM

Use the same rules that are use in Bowling when a player has to quit mid game. Take his average and divide by 18. Then apply that score to each remaining holes to be played

Fri, Sep 18 2009 4:19 AM

That will make it even worse. People will quit with the first bad shot because their average will be secure. They would never even take one bad hole.

Fri, Sep 18 2009 4:34 AM

rlsj13:

Use the same rules that are use in Bowling when a player has to quit mid game. Take his average and divide by 18. Then apply that score to each remaining holes to be played

So, if a person has a 68 average.

68/18 = 3.77

3.77 * 18 = 68

I'm not sure what exactly that accomplishes

Fri, Sep 18 2009 5:31 AM

My guess is rlsj13 expressed himself imprecisely and he wanted to say: take the quitter's total score up to the moment of disconnection, then divide it by the number of holes already played, which will result in an average score per hole. Then apply that average to the holes left unplayed. That's still not fair in golf: because quitters very often skedaddle before making the final putt on a particularly disasterous hole for them, like a triple-bogey or quadruple-bogey putt. In fact, some Master quitters don't hesitate to run away after failing to make a birdie putt.

Calculation example: Someone is 5 over par moving on to hole 7 & quits. That means his average per hole is 0.83 over par (= 5/6). He failed to play 3 holes, which is 2.49 over par (= 3*0.83). So, the quitter's final score for the round would be 7 over par (= 5 actual over par + 2 extrapolated over par).

In addition to the imprecision described above, this system could also be abused if, say, I'm 2 under par after 4 holes. If I quit, the extrapolation might actually improve my average score. So, the above system would only need to be applied if, at the moment of disconnection, the quitter's extrapolated score exceeded his/her average score.

Fri, Sep 18 2009 6:16 AM

WGTadmin...In my opinion....If you are working with limited resources; please use them to add courses, features, clean up bugs, etc...before addressing the quitters issue. I know this is an inflammatory position but managing quitters shouldn't be a priority...

Fri, Sep 18 2009 6:56 AM

Faterson:

My guess is rlsj13 expressed himself imprecisely and he wanted to say: take the quitter's total score up to the moment of disconnection, then divide it by the number of holes already played , which will result in an average score per hole . Then apply that average to the holes left unplayed. That's still not fair in golf : because quitters very often skedaddle before making the final putt on a particularly disasterous hole for them, like a triple-bogey or quadruple-bogey putt. In fact, some Master quitters don't hesitate to run away after failing to make a birdie putt.

Calculation example: Someone is 5 over par moving on to hole 7 & quits. That means his average per hole is 0.83 over par (= 5/6). He failed to play 3 holes, which is 2.49 over par (= 3*0.83). So, the quitter's final score for the round would be 7 over par (= 5 actual over par + 2 extrapolated over par).

In addition to the imprecision described above, this system could also be abused if, say, I'm 2 under par after 4 holes. If I quit, the extrapolation might actually improve my average score. So, the above system would only need to be applied if, at the moment of disconnection, the quitter's extrapolated score exceeded his/her average score.

Yeah, I was looking at the formula and automatically thought it would be a great way to pad one's average without even completing 9 holes (specifically, by shooting the front 9 at Kiawah where it's very possible to birdie the first 3 holes).

Fri, Sep 18 2009 7:26 AM

Well, that can be easily avoided, Marioh. The calculation would only be applied if it increased your stroke-play average score. Also, it might only be used for multi-player rounds, and forfeited for single-player rounds.

In addition, the following should also be introduced, to address Soulcatcher and the issue mentioned in the first paragraph of my previous post:

If someone is about to par-putt & quits, that hole should be counted as a bogey & the score should only be extrapolated afterwards.
If someone is about to bogey-putt & quits, that hole should be counted as a double-bogey & the score should only be extrapolated afterwards.
If someone is about to double-bogey-putt & quits...... >>> triple-bogey counted and only then extrapolated.
If someone quits after the 1st or 2nd shot, without the ball being on the fairway >>> count the hole as a bogey, only then extrapolate. [I can't even tell you how many folks quit on me immediately after driving into the woods on Bethpage, hole 1!]
If someone quits before making a shot that should have ensured Green-in-Regulation for them, or has already failed to reach GIR on that hole >>> count that hole as (at least) a bogey, only then extrapolate the score. (Another example: someone quits before taking a 4th shot while still being off-green on a par-4 hole: count the hole as a triple-bogey, with 2 putts taken for granted & 1 more shot counted in as a penalty.)

With all these extra measures in place, the calculation method alluded to by rlsj13 might perhaps be employed here on WGT as a quitting deterrent.

Of course, everyone would still be offered the option to finish each forcibly interrupted round later on (as already happens today), so that no one would be punished for involuntary disconnections. The extrapolated calculation would only be applied at the moment of voluntarily forfeiting an interrupted game (or voluntarily quitting it in the first place).

PS: For other quitting deterrents suggested previously, see here.

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